Re: [tied] Re: Pretonic laryngeals in roots

--- Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:

> On 2007-03-16 17:19, Sean Whalen wrote:
>
> > Wouldn't *o > o: > a:? Greek has analogy with *
> > pYròxW > pró (I'd say many branches had final
> a(:)x >
> > a(:) and o(:)xW > o(:)).
>
> A valid point, but wouldn't *proh3- have gone to
> *pra:-, had the
> comparative been *proh3-tero-?

Not if xWt > tH there as I'm arguing.

> Besides, Brugmann's
> Law regularly fails
> before the contrastive suffix, see Ved. katara- :
> Gk. poteros <
> *kWo-tero-. There must be a reason for that, but
> it's likelier to have
> something to do with the suffix itself (e.g.
> *-t-h1ero- rather than just
> *-t-ero-?).

The V was probably originally *e. Vedic often
restores *kW where it would normally > kY > c in
derivatives of *kWo+ (kásya, kíyant-). Greek changes
e>o in o-stems (*+esyo > -oio). Of course, there's
also the possibility for e>o after kW sometimes
(*kWekWlos > kúklos).

> There are Greek words short vowels possibly
> reflecting older forms:
> lútHron 'defilement' from *l(e)uh1-, áetHlon 'prize
> of contest' from
> *hweh1-, báthron 'base, pedestal' from *gWeh2-.
> Compare the restoration
> of the vowel of the lexical base (<star>) in Eng.
> starry, whereas the
> regular development is that seen in <carry> or
> <baron>.

I think different aspiration rules operated in
different languages. You've said these don't work
after X+syl, but:

PIE *gWer-xW-tro+ 'throat' >
Lith gerkle:
Grk *bérathrom > bérethron / bárathron 'pit'

*tem-x-ko+ / tem-x-Lo+ 'slice' >
Lat templum
Grk témakhos

*kol-xW-mon.+ >
Lat columen 'top / ridge of a house'
Grk kolophó:n 'summit'

> > I'm not sure what you would predict for
> denta:tus,
> > cornu:tus (that is, you didn't give any examples
> of
> > xtV) so I'll wait before saying more.
>
> The preaspiration rule is an old change, heavily
> layered over by the
> results of later, productive processes (like e.g.
> Verner's Law or
> i-umlaut in Modern English). It's the odd residue
> that gives it away,
> not the productive derivatives.

But if * +axtos > * +atHos > * +adus, what would
provide the analogy to change it to +a:tus at some
stage (but not -idus)?





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