Res: Res: [tied] Etymology of Rome

--- In cybalist@... s.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...>
wrote:

>
> On 2007-03-08 22:55, Abdullah Konushevci wrote:
>
> > Isn't OInd. ra:ma- 'dark, black' derived from *reH1mós, IE

*re:mós,

> > with Old English cognate ro:mig 'sooty'?
>
> The OE hapax (actually spelt "romei" rather than "romig", as

quoted by

> Pokorny) is a mangled form of <hru:mig> (from <hru:m,

hry:me> 'soot'.

> MHG ra:m 'dirt' would be a better potential cognate if it were

more

> securely related to anything else in Gmc. Anyway, we've been

discussing

> Skt. ra:má- in the sense 'pleasing, lovely', which may be an

accidental

> homophone of <ra:má-> 'dark, black'. If Lubotsky is right in

relating

> <ra:trí:> 'night' to *h1reh1- 'be quiet', i.e. 'night' = 'resting-

time'

> two derivatives could be proposed:
>
> (1) ra:má- 'pleasing' < *(h1)rom-ó- 'soothing, bringing calm' (cf.

Ved.

> rámati, -te);
>
> (2) ra:má- 'dark', ra:mí: 'night', ultimately from *h1roh1-mó-

'still,

> restful', cf. *h1réh1-mn. 'rest, stillness' (Av. ra:man-).

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So, we may assume *av-+ *reH1-mo- (> *rH1e-mo- through laryngeal
metathesis) > PAlb avreno > Gheg vrân, Tosk vrër 'darksome, cloudy',
deadjectival verb m'u vrâ/vrënjt 'to darken', to get lastly Alb m-
(<*H2em- 'to hold') + ram-je > mrâmje/mbrëmje (abtract noun from
participle) 'evening'.

Konushevci