Re: Res: [tied] Etymology of Rome

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
<akonushevci@...> wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
> > <miguelc@> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 23:25:33 -0000, "alexandru_mg3"
> > > <alexandru_mg3@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@>
> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> On 2007-03-07 22:44, alexandru_mg3 wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > Long in Clasical Period, but 'as I know' it wasn't a long-
> > o 'at the
> > > >> > beginning'...
> > > >>
> > > >> _What_ beginning? _How_ do you know it was once short? And
> how
> > did it
> > > >> become long?
> > > >>
> > > >> Piotr
> > > >
> > > >
> > For another, example, that shows us the change of syllabic
> > structure:
> see *kWers-reh2 > Rom(.-Subtratum) c^wa:-ra: 'crow' NOT c^wa:r-a:
>
> For Rom c^oara and Alb sorrë 'crow' and its reconstruction, see
> Jens' message 30119 and your reconstruction too:
>
> The laryngeal is surely missed in Skt. kr.s.n.á- which I would not
> like to separate. Perhaps *-ersn- yields Alb. -orr- without the help
> of a laryngeal, but I don't see how to exclude lengthened grade.
> Korrë 'harvest' could be close to or even identical with Lat. ce:na,
> Osc. kerssna- 'meal' from *ke(:)rt-sna:. I hardly think the presence
> of the -t- makes any difference in Alb. (as I understand it does in
> Latin, which has perna from *pe(:)rsna:).
>
> The BSl. form could proceed from *c^wo:r- with length and backing
> from the Balkan loan. And of course expecially the palatal rounding
> points in that direction.
>
> Perhaps *gWe(:)r&3-snaH2 designated "(processed) mass of swallowed
> food", whence zorrë 'intestine'? And *kWe(:)rsna: 'one of a black
> species', with vrddhi in the latter just as in Lith. várna 'crow'.
>
>
> Marius -> in fact it was Abdullah
>

Abdullah please signed with your name, please....not with mine

Sorry: but you didn't understood my point: I didn't say that was a
laryngeal in *c^wa:ra:,by the way, where you have seen it in my
message below?

> see *kWers-reh2 > Rom(.-Subtratum) c^wa:-ra: 'crow' NOT c^wa:r-a:

I said only that the syllable structure changed also in this word:
from the originary situation, this time after the lost of s : that's
all I wanted to show.

And if the structure changed, the moved of the consonant in the
next syllable, could trigger too, a compensatory lenghtening of the
remaining vowel in the first one ...

(but this is not the case in c^wara: where s was in the first
syllable, so please don't come back with another point here...)

Marius


P.S.: Regarding -n-eh2 in place of -r-eh2, in *kWers-r-eh2 I already
said that Romanian preserved the -rn- cluster (see /carne/).
Next this -rn- was still present in Roman Times in Local Toponyms
(see Dacian Dierna).
Also, in addition Latin rn-Loans in Albanian are affected too
so rn>rr is not so old in Albanian.
In conclusion: In this case the word for 'crow' would have been
c^wa:rna: in Romanian, that is not the case....
So the word has ended in -r-eh2, not in n-eh2, that has more
sense also from a semantic point of view.
In addition I suspect that was *bardz-ra: too...