Re: [tied] PIE i- and u-stems again

--- Miguel Carrasquer Vidal <miguelc@...> wrote:

> Apart from a relatively small number of i- and
> u-stems with
> a divergent paradigm (genitive sg. in -jés/-jós,
> -wés/-wós),
> some of which may be old n-stems (e.g. the u-stem
> neuters
> *doru(r), *g^onu(r), *pok^u(r) ~ *pek^u(r),
> *medhu(r) ,
> etc.,

If these are given (r) because of the Armenian forms
I'd disagree. Final *-s just goes through changes due
to retroflex (after K/r/u/s):
us
us.
uz.
ur.
ur
r

There is simply analogy at some time changing the
neuter to the same as the non; possibly helped by
regular *gonuL>r.

The same sort of thing happens in Celtic, but there
analogy mostly eliminates *-ur/ir.

I searched the archives and found this earlier
discussion. Do you still believe this? Is there any
need to attribute the Armenian forms to an otherwise
unseen peculiarity of PIE?

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer
<mcv@...> wrote:

>
> In Armenian, rs gives <r.> or <rs^>: <t`ar.amim> ~
> <t`ars^amim> "I wither". Olsen has shown that *-is

and *-us

> in final position (when there was no early loss of

the

> vowel) give -r (presumably -(i/u)s^ > -z^ > -r).

*k^s gives

> <c`> in the numeral "6", which doesn't reveal much

(but the

> Kartvelian forms seem to point to a pre-Armenian

form

> *us^weks^).

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