Re: Balto-Slavic C-stems / long vowel endings

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Mate Kapoviæ <mkapovic@...> wrote:

>
> On Uto, sijeèanj 30, 2007 12:17 am, Miguel Carrasquer Vidal reèe:
> > On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:53:30 +0100 (CET), Mate Kapoviæ
> > <mkapovic@...> wrote:
> >
> >>On Pon, sijeèanj 29, 2007 11:20 pm, Miguel Carrasquer Vidal reèe:
> >>> Pardon my ignorance, but I was wondering about that. When
> >>> Ivs^ic''s law causes withdrawal of the stress from a weak
> >>> yer to the preceding syllable, that syllable receives
> >>> neo-acute intonation. But what intonation does the next
> >>> syllable receive when the stress is moved forward from an
> >>> initial weak yer? Apparently, in Slovak (though not in
> >>> Czech or Polish) dU``cer- > dcé:r-,
> >>
> >>Oh it happens also in Czech and Polish, but dialectally... I

think there

> >>are forms like dcóra in both...
> >>
> >>> with lengthening of /e/
> >>> (neo-acute?). In kc'i^ / hc^i^, the intonation remains
> >>> falling, but what happens when the newly stressed syllable
> >>> is not final?
> >>
> >>Well, the oblique cases in Croatian are G. kæe``ri, D. kæe``ri

which

> >>should derive from *d7``kter- so I guess that answers your

question.

> >>
> >>And it doesn't just occur when the jor is accent, cf. Kajkavian

*v7

> >>ju´´tro > (v) ju^tro.
> >
> > Does that mean that these are two different soundlaws,
> > separated in time (1. retraction from weak yer with
> > neo-acute on preceding syllable; 2. advancement from weak
> > yer with "neo"-circumflex on next syllable)? Or can they
> > still be simultaneous (retraction from weak yer with
> > neo-acute on preceding syllable, if there is one, else
> > advancement from weak yer without neo-acute on next
> > syllable)?
>
> Some of it may be simultaneous, some if it may not be... I don't

know. But

> I don't think we should lump it all together...
>

I still find the whole story about weakening of stressed yers rather
weird despite all the explanations in this thread. However, what I
think is that stress (which is assigned automatically in enclinomena
forms) simply started being assigned to the second syllable when the
yer in the first one got weak. In other words, the yer got weak and
thus unstressable, and the second (now indeed the first) syllable got
stressed. The tone is, of course, falling because it's in an
enclinomena form.
In languages like Slovak (dcé:ra) this syllable must have been
lengthened after the shortening of vowels in long falling syllables,
and this means, I suppose, this 'shift' was carried through (and yers
in the 1st syllable got weak) after the shortening.
Thus:
1. *'gra:dU > 'gradU
2. *'dUcer- > 'dce:r-