Re: [tied] Daimo:n 'Divider' <-> Bog 'Divider' too?

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:

>
> On 2007-01-16 20:15, alexandru_mg3 wrote:
>
> > I know, of course, this transformation. I have asked for similar
> > examples of such Iranians loans in Slavic reflecting Iranian a >
> > Slavic o (=>so loans older than sec V-VI max. : Sl. a > Sl. o)
>
> *xvorU 'sick' : Av. xVara- 'wound' etc., perhaps

xome^storU 'hamster' :

> Av. hamae:star 'opponent' (with puzzling semantics but a perfect

formal

> match).
>
> Loans taken later than that may still have Slavic /o/ substituted

for

> foreign /a/, cf. Lat. castellum > OHG kastel > *kostelU (> Pol.,

Cz.

> 'church' words), just because even after the change of *[a] > *[o]

in

> Slavic dialects *o was the only short/lax non-front open vowel.
>
> > So again we would deal here with a loan earlier than g > k in
> > Tocharian too...Do you know other Iranians loans in Tocharian
> > reflecting Iranian g > Tocharian k?
>
> What could it be borrowed as if Tocharian lacked voiced obstruents?

It

> needn't be a real sound change; it may just as well be

substitution, cf.

> Skt. Buddha- --> PToch. *p&t- (Kim 1999).
>
> > Yes. Thanks for the other example.
> > But maybe laryngeal on one side and no laryngeal on the other?

Where

> > would be the contradiction?
>
> The known reflexes can be explained perfectly well without any
> laryngeals, so why stuff them into the root?
>
> Piotr
>

If *bHag- 'to divide' is with a- and we don't have any ablaut forms
or a trace of a laryngeal, it cannot be considered a PIE word, but a
later loan...

On the other hand, without the a-issue, the root fits perfectly the
PIE pattern "CVC" and in addition the Sanskrit derived words and even
the Slavic ones (derivation in -to for 'rich'), considered later
loans, could be completly reconstructed based on the PIE suffixes.

In addition the semantic derivation "God" <- "Divider" <- "To
Divide" present in Greek /daimo:n/ too, show us a common (PIE?)
semantic evolution.

Viewing all these, could I ask you : finally "where we are" in this
case with this root? Is from PIE, or not?

Marius