Re: Ariesh-River and the Formation Pattern of the Dacian River Names

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@...>
wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
> <akonushevci@> wrote:
> >
> > ************
> > My view about Rom suffix –esh and Albanian –esh is that it was
> > derived from –enses, plural form of different ethnic names (cf.
> > Narbon-enses, Olbon-enses etc.), with regular outcome of –ns- > -

s-

> > in Proto-Albanian/Dacian, so place names in Romania, like Arg-

esh,

> > Ari-esh, Mamur-esh denote inhabitants of the Ari-, Arg-, Mamur-,

as

> > well as place names in Albania and Dardania, like Arbn-esh,

Kurvel-

> > esh, Makr-esh, Martan-esh, Pad-esh, Part-esh, simply denote
> > inhabitants of such places. This suffix is also attested in

river

> > name Vel-esh and in oronym Pinjesh.
>
>
> Abdullah, I think that we are dealing with two suffixes here:
>
> 1. -enses > esh
> Is that one that you talk about above attested in Roamn

inscription

> as:
> Preda-uenses
> Potul-enses
> etc...
>
> and
>
> 2. -(w)esya present especially in the river names formations
>
> Arguments:
> a) Muresh is attested Marisia (Iordanes) so hardly can be
> originated from -enses etc..
> b) Crish is attested Krisia (Iordanes too) so hardly can be

from -

> enses too

For now, I can say that suffixes may be replaced, like in case of
Mamur-esh, but Alb place name Mamur-as, like: Bishk-as, Dunjas,
Dardhas, Përrenjas et. So, it depends on the fact which model is
predominant in specific time and place, we will find different
suffixes, especially in place names. Let's take other example: Ulc-
ini-on (Greek source), Ulc-ini-um (Latin source), Ulc-issa in
Panonia, Ulc-iana/Ulp-iana in Dardania etc.

>
>
> Please to take together a look on some Dacian Constructions:
>
> A) 'city-naming-formation' :
>
> <specificity-of-the-city> + <da:wa: 'city, fortress'>
> Examples:
> Giri-dava
> Suci-dava
> Argi-dava
> Petro-dava
> Arci-dava
> Pirobori-dava
> etc...

If dava is connected with Alb dheu< dhevi <*dhavi 'earth, place,
land, property' I think that Dacian dava could have same meaning, so
I think that better interpretation is 'Land of Giri/Suci,
Argi/Petro/Arci/Pirbori' (cf. as well Gir-ona with Slavic form
Zirona).

> Marius

Konushevci