From: tgpedersen
Message: 46739
Date: 2006-12-23
> It certainly does not surprise me that there can be honestGermanic may express perfectivity by adding adverbs, Slavic by adding
>disagreements about aspect and Aktionsart since our ideas about them
>are so subjectively tied to our personal understandings of the
>languages we speak.
>
> Nonetheless, I really believe that realistic definitions can be
>formulated.
>
> The major problem in this is that imperfective/perfective is
>indicated in many different ways.
>
> As an example:
>
> "He reads the Bible every night."
>
> Does this mean that he reads some passages from the Bible or reads
>the entire Bible?
>
> If we wish to indicate the perfective latter (however unlikely it
>may be), we might say:
>
> "He reads through the Bible every night."
>
> If we wish to make clear the imperfective former, we might say:
>
> "He reads in the Bible every night".
>
> In my opinion, this tells us two things:
>
> 1) that Germanic languages also have methods of indicating
>imperfective/perfective, fully comparable with Slavic, for qualifying
>verbal ideas; and
> 2) that PIE probably did _not_ have the expression of thisdistinction since there are so many variant ways of expressing it in
> On the other hand, as I have written, I believe theBecause?
>durative/punctual (*bhere-/*bher-) opposition was the bedrock of PIE
>verbal inflection.
> In my opinion, there is no necessary connection between perfectiveSome call it telic.
>and punctual whatever we may find in any given language or language
>group.
> Perfective expresses a logical goal of an activity.
> Punctual expresses some point in time within the duration of theI think that was the point I was trying to make.
> activity (inceptive/completive).
>If defined from outside world, yes.
> As an example:
>
> "He is reading through the Bible for the fifth time."
>
> This is clearly perfective since it contemplates a logical and
>definite cessation of the activity; it is also unquestionably >durative.
> "He begins to read in the Bible."As I said.
>
> This is clearly imperfective since no logical or definite
>cessation of the activity is suggested; it is also unquestionably
>punctual.