Re: Hungarian "gold"

From: alexandru_mg3
Message: 46676
Date: 2006-12-14

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tolgs001" <st-george@...> wrote:
>

> >Correct: Ariesh is not a pure Latin transformation
> >However you made a Bad deduction (again) above => *Auresya >
Ariesh
> >is an ANCIENT Dcaian formation
>
> Who told you this? Vinereanu?


Not Vinereanu , George, Maghiarule!

The formation of the other Dacian river names attested in the
Antiquity (that you willingly have ignored) :
Somesh , Muresh, Timish, Argesh, Crish.....

these FACTS told me THAT in ARIESH we have the same formation

Romanian -ESH, -ISH > DACIAN *-ESJA, -ISYA > PIE *-ESYO, *-ISYO


> As for the [ye] diphtongation in Romanian: be cautious, since
> exactly the linguistic area of the Arie$, i.e. of the greater
> North-West area of Transylvania (I mean, Cri$ana and Maramure$
> included) is the most important preserver of very old phonetic
> habits in this respect. In that area, unlike in other Romanian
> areas and unlike standard Romanian, there is no [ye]
> diphtongation (which some linguists have assumed to have occurred
> under Slavic influence, warranted or not, I dunno).


Ma, George-Maghiarule, you are Not Romanian and you try to learn me
that that there is no e>je diphtongation in Romanian in the Ariesh
Valley, "YE, M~A" ? CHIAR NU-TI E RUSINE?"


> So, in the
> subdialects overthere, there's no fier, fierbere, but fer, and
> ferbere.

Maybe true for a Hungarian like you....that speak badly Romanian


> a hypothetic
> [*Auresja] to > Arie$ is unlikely. Something such as *Arã$
> would've been likelier.

*Arã$ is Likelier for an Ignorant like you George-Maghiarule:
e/accented > je NEVER ã

PUT THE HAND AND READ BEFORE to talk and to write such stupidities...

*Auresya > Ariesh is REGULAR

au-/non-accented >a
e/accented > je
sy > sh


> Note Mure$: nobody arrived at a variant
> *Murie$;

Nobody of course...because Only you a s an ignorant 'could linked'
the non accented e of Muresh with the accented e of Ariesh...

But of course is hard for you to understand that an accented syllable
could evolved different than a non-accented one: George, Maghiarule
PUT THE HAND AND READ BEFORE to talk...


>
> Hence, I'd be very cautious with your *Auresia > Arie$.

You need to be cautios with you first ...because you don't have any
knowledge here...



$arpe is
> the first choice only because of the artificial homogeni-
> zation under the influence of the Muntenian subdialect.


Really? Poor Rosetti...


> And my "suspicion" is that $arpe couldn't have occurred
> without the intermediate [$ær-pe]

I'm down...when I saw how many nonsenses you are able to write ...


> Finally, arany is the pan-Hungarian word for "gold". So,
> Hungarians living in Austria and Croatia also say arany.

Bravo! A 'Deep thought' again....keep momentum

Conclusion:

Maghiarule George please learn at the end that:

1. AU/non-accented > A >...etc in Rimanian : You need to learn this
rule ...:

2. and A/non-accented never passed to ~A in initial position

GEORGE I already indicated PUSCARIU, did you hear about him? =>now I
tell you to put the hand and to read also
READ ROSETTI ILR (at least this name I hope to tell you something)
WHERE is written black on white this rule :

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AU/non-accented > A
with the example:
ROMANIAN R~APOSA < OLD ROMANIAN *R~AP~ASA < LATIN REPAUSARE
WITH LATER ~A > O after a LABIAL as in BOTEZA > BAPTIZARE etc...

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Also NOTE: that No Romanian can pronounced Aurjesh in place of Ariesh
George-Maghiarule as you proposed here...


Is not good to be ignorant maghiarule-George, but to continue to
ignore the evidence after somebody quoted for you PUSCARIU & ROSETTI
is worst

Go and read that books first before to come here and to write that
au/non-accented is still au or a-u in Romanian ....and that e is not
YE in Romanian erspecially in the Ariesh Valley where everybody
say "YE" each 2 words

All this to defend a false ideology....Ufff...

Marius