----- Original Message -----From: Piotr GasiorowskiSent: Monday, October 02, 2006 5:19 PMSubject: Re: [tied] Vowel Lengthening from V + Voiced Stop (was Vowel Lengthening from V + Voiced Consonant)On 2006-10-03 00:06, Patrick Ryan wrote:
> You have already stated that inherently short vowels do not appear
> (in most English dialects) in final position.
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> Can you give an example of a _"word-final" _ inherently short vowel
> that would be of equivalent length to the same vowel + D?
That's the whole problem. In Wiik's data sets, the alternative "final or
+ voiced C" really means "+ voiced C" for inherently short vowels, since
they can't occur in the other context.
***Then, perhaps, you can see why I pressed you for an answer to whether the table _misrepresented_ the situation; and why I interpreted "Final" as simply CV in any position.
It is clear from your second paragraph that the table either is misrepresentational or, at least, misleading.
I do not have Gimson/Cruttenden at present. I would be curious to know if the table I reproduced actually occurs in the book.
Patrick
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