----- Original Message -----From: Piotr GasiorowskiSent: Monday, October 02, 2006 3:47 PMSubject: Re: [tied] Vowel Lengthening from V + Voiced Stop (was Vowel Lengthening from V + Voiced Consonant)On 2006-10-02 19:47, Patrick Ryan wrote:
> <http://wwwgeocitie s.com/proto- language/ WiikStudy. jpg>
>
> All the above remarks only have relevance to the discussion if
> the "Final" heading caption of the table is interpreted as
> designating a monosyllable, i.e. CV#.
>
> I interpreted "Final" to mean simply that the V was final, thus
> designating an open syllable, CV, in whatever position.
>
> Do you have information that would substantiate either
> interpretation?
Yes. "Final" means "word-final" (not necessarily in a monosyllable, but
also in words like <degree> or <guffaw>.***
You have already stated that inherently short vowels do not appear (in most English dialects) in final position.
Can you give an example of a _"word-final"_ inherently short vowel that would be of equivalent length to the same vowel + D?
Patrick
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> For an inherently short vowel, the measure of [I] in an English
> word like <bilabial>
>
> ***CORRECTION: <bitumen> ***
>
> would be more likely to give a benchmark duration of the vowel,
> in my opinion, i. e. not stressed, not word-, phrase- or
> sentence-final.
All right, but the same phoneme will be realised a little longer in
<ligament>. Which of the two durations is the benchmark one?
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<ligament> is stressed on the first syllable.
But if you are referring to the affect of the following voiced/unvoiced consonant, my proposed solution would be to average the durations of the two extremes.
Patrick
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