Fw: [tied] Re: o-grade thoughts

> > ***
> > There is no such thing as a "*bhe- root".
> >
> > Patrick
> > ***
>
> It's not in Pokorny, if that's what you mean, no.
>
> ***
>
> It is NOT in _any_ dictionary of (P)IE.
>
> While there are a very few *CV roots in PIE (*me), there are no

verbal *CV roots.

>
> ***
>
> But since
> I suspect that *bheH(i)- (I think I'll amend it to) is manifested
> in both Pokorny *bho:i- : *bh&i- : *bhi:- "sich fürchten" and
> Pokorny *bhei(&)-, *bhi:- "schlagen" , then one wouldn't expect it
> to be there.
> (And I would sorely like to find a way of deriving from it his
> *bha:-, *bho:-, *bh&- "glänzen, leuchten, scheinen" and *bha:-
> "sprechen", all as aspects of a physical unwellness, timor dei,
> connection from the other side kind of concept).
>
>
> Torsten
>
> ***
>
> CORRECTION: 9/7/06
>
> These are all roots derived from different earlier forms:
>
> ----------*bha:-, 'shine', from *bhah- (NOT *bha?-)
>
> ----------*bha:-, 'speak (loudly)', from *bha?- (NOT *bhaH-)
>
> *bhei(6)-, 'beat', from *bho-y-?-
>
> *bho:-, 'roast (on a stick)', from *bho?-
>
> *bho:i-, 'be afraid (perspire/feel hot from fear)', from *bho?-y-
>

As Piotr pointed out, there is a phonotactic constraint on roots
in labial + w-. Formally it should therefore be possible to derive
eg. *bhax- from *bhw-ax-, where *-ax- is the factitive known also
from *new-ax- "renew", *bhe:- as *bhw-eh1-, with the instrumental
suffix *-eh1, and to explain *bho:- by ablaut from the former,
but that would demand that *bhu- was a noun, at the same time as
it was a verbal root. The laryngeal you want the roots to end in,
provide vowel 'color'; I'd have to do the same with suffixes and
ablaut, and for other long-vowel roots too. I'm afraid I can't
get any closer than that at the moment.


Torsten