Fw: [tied] Re: o-grade thoughts

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From: Patrick Ryan

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From: tgpedersen

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Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 1:24 PM

Subject: [tied] Re: o-grade thoughts

>
>   Well, yes, the idea is that reduplicated verbs stems first
>   stood for repetion before they stood for duration and intensity.
>   I think the pair Ch.Sl. bojati se, "sich fürchten" vs. OHG bibe:n
>   "tremble" is a good example of having one or several spasms of
>   fear, respectively (I interpret the *bhe- root as punctual,
>   because I think it is somehow related to Pokorny *bhei(&)-,
>   *bhi:- "schlagen", ie you are struck by fear, but I can't yet
>   formalize it).
>
>
>   Torsten
>
>   ***
>   There is no such thing as a "*bhe- root".
>
>   Patrick
>   ***

  It's not in Pokorny, if that's what you mean, no.

 

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It is NOT in _any_ dictionary of (P)IE.

 

While there are a very few *CV roots in PIE (*me), there are no verbal *CV roots.

 

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But since
I suspect that *bheH(i)- (I think I'll amend it to) is manifested
in both Pokorny *bho:i- : *bh&i- : *bhi:- "sich fürchten" and
Pokorny *bhei(&)-, *bhi:- "schlagen" , then one wouldn't expect it
to be there.
  (And I would sorely like to find a way of deriving from it his
*bha:-, *bho:-, *bh&- "glänzen, leuchten, scheinen" and *bha:-
"sprechen", all as aspects of a physical unwellness, timor dei,
connection from the other side kind of concept).


Torsten

 

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CORRECTION: 9/7/06

 

These are all roots derived from different earlier forms:

 

----------*bha:-, 'shine', from *bhah- (NOT *bha?-)

 

----------*bha:-, 'speak (loudly)', from *bha?- (NOT *bhaH-)

 

*bhei(6)-, 'beat', from *bho-y-?-

 

*bho:-, 'roast (on a stick)', from *bho?-

*bho:i-, 'be afraid (perspire/feel hot from fear)', from *bho?-y-

Patrick

 

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