Re: [tied] Re: Fricative-less languages?

On 2006-07-24 12:19, aquila_grande wrote:

> Well,
>
> A couple of the "laryngeals" probaly were fricatives (Velar, uvular,
> pharyngeal)

I was going to make the same point. PIE had at least one phonemic
sibilant, */s/, and internal reconstruction suggests that at various
points in the prehistory of the protolanguage there may have been more
of them, including voiced */z/ and affricate */c/. Coronal affricates
certainly existed at least as allophones of coronal stops in PIE proper,
and I have myself toyed with the idea that they had the status of
marginal phonemes. At least some of the laryngeals were dorsal or
radical fricatives. PIE *h1 seems to have been a glottal approximant
[h], which, though arguably not a true fricative, often patterns with
fricatives in phonemic inventories and is treated as a fricative in the
most recent IPA chart.

Piotr
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Since I'm not sure how I should frame a search for this topic in the archives, do you think you could direct me to the previous postings that discuss evidence of a former /z/ and affricate /c/?  Or else give me an idea of why these are believed to have existed formerly (and perhaps their distribution -- I know of [z] as an allophone of /s/ only)?

A "radical" fricative is pharyngeal or laryngeal (root of the tongue)?

Andrew