Re: [tied] *rebh- or *H3rebh-

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
<akonushevci@...> wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@>
> wrote:
> >
> > On 2006-07-03 01:32, Abdullah Konushevci wrote:
> >
> > > And what would convince anyone of the initial *H2 in *kous-

'to

> hear'.
> > > I think Greek form akouein 'to hear'. And, in case of *rebh-,

I

> think
> > > it is Albanian form <brinjë> 'rib' that gives me a right to
> > > reconstruct it as *H3rebh-.
> >
> > It doesn't until you demonstrate, using independent evidence,

that

> *h3-
> > > *b- in Albanian. What are your examples?
> >
> > Piotr
> ************
> OK. Lets take other example:
>
> *rebh- `to move, hurry'. Probably extended root of *er-. 1. Alb.
> <revan> `fast pacing gait for a horse, pace; fast pace, hurry,
> haste' probably from lengthened o-grade form *ro:bh-ont-: NPers.
> raftan `to go': Ossetic ravag `fast': MIr reb `game': Germanic

*reb-

> `to be in fast, strong movement'. 2a. Alb. <vrap> `run, running';
> b. denominative <vrapoj> `to run, flee'; c. adverb <me vrap `at a
> run'. (Pokorny 1. rebh- 853.)
> *H3 is described phontecally as a rounded velar fricative [XW],

but

> I doubt as well that /b/ in <brinjë> as well as <v> in <vrap>

could

> as well be a prefix, but rounded character of *H3, followed by
> resonant leaves a space to doubt of their laryngeal origin.
> Nevertheless, I just started to treat words in *r-. It was just an
> assumption. But, to not accept that Alb. <brinjë> that has so much
> cognate in Germanic languages and in Slavic, is very strange.
>
> Konushevci

Or, better, lets take other example *reg'- 'to lead, rule, to move
in a stright line'. Oldest attested form *H3reg- in Greek derivative
oregein 'to stretch out, reach out for' 1a. Alb. <mbroth> 'without a
hitch, succsesfully' as adverb from *H1en- *H3re:g'-a; b. verb
<mbroth> 'to go without a hitch, succeed'; c. abstract nohn <mbroth
(ë)-si 'flourishing success'.