[tied] Re: Labiovelar Phonological Identity???

From: squilluncus
Message: 45201
Date: 2006-07-03

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "altamix" <alxmoeller@...> wrote:
>

> is the "labiovelar" who stoped the Palatalisation or was there
just
> the "u"? In Rumanian the labiovelar element could not prevent
anymore
> the palatalisation of the labiovelars, so if Rum. "c^e" is from
> Latin "quid", then begining with II century AD , the word was
> pronounced "ke" (as today in Italian which contrary to the said
> about labiovelars, in "who"-words, Italian did not kept the
> labiovelars).
>
OK. The labio-part must have been kept long after the general
palatalisation in the west contrary to Roumanian.

As for aqua and che I am confident that an Arabian at a dictation
would use qaf for the former and kaf for the latter.
There is a natural change of position of the tongue depending on the
vowel being fronted or not.
I am also confident that the same Arab would have used different
letters at a dictation from German when hearing Karl Kampf vs Kerl
Chemnitz.

/k/ in che is pronounced further to the front than /k/ in aqua and
this is produced naturally if a langue does not make a phonematic
distinction between fronted and unfronted /k/.

Lars