[tied] Re: The IE migrations and the Black Sea

-- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...> wrote:

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> In any case, the cult of Poseidon was thousands of years after the

early IE migrations

Poseidon could have an Egyptian connection (pr sidon he of sidon)

http://www.physics.wustl.edu/~alford/egypt.html

Poseidon could also have Linear B connections:

"Poseidon is already identified as "Earth-Shaker"— E-NE-SI-DA-O-NE— in
Mycenaean Knossos [1], a powerful attribute where earthquakes had
accompanied the collapse of the Minoan palace-culture. In the heavily
sea-dependent Mycenean culture, no connection between Poseidon and the
sea has yet surfaced."

"Demeter and Poseidon's names are linked in one Pylos tablet, where
they appear as PO-SE-DA-WO-NE and DA-MA-TE, in the context of
sacralized lot-casting. In one etymology [citation needed], the 'DA'
element in each of their names would be connected to a
Proto-Indo-European root relating to distribution of land and honors
(compare Latin dare "to give"), thus 'Poseidon' would mean something
like "distribution-lord" or "husband of the distributor", to match
'Damater' "distribution-mother". Walter Burkert finds that "the second
element da- remains hopelessly ambiguous" and finds a "husband of
Earth" reading "quite impossible to prove" (Burkert 1985 III.2.3)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poseidon

M. Kelkar

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> mkelkar2003 <swatimkelkar@...> wrote: --- In

cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "aquila_grande" <aquila_grande@>

> wrote:
> >
> > In all the treaties and discussion I have seen about the early IE
> > migrations, the Black Sea is concidered as a hinderance or even a
> > fence for the migration. The question of how the IE tribes got
> > around to Anatolia (or the other way) allways pop up. In the same
> > way the Caspian sea is considered a fence for the migration eastward
> > that had to be circumvented.
> >
> > I think tink is a wrong way of thinking. It is higly probable that
> > the IE tribes around the Anube delta or in Anatolia could use boats,
> > and effectively migrate across these seas or at least along the
> > shores, and probably great groups of IE people could migrate
> > simultanously at these seas. The Norwegian explorer Thor Heyerdahl
> > did show that it is possible to even migrate across the Atlantic
> > Ocean and the Pacific in simple fleets, and that the Sea in fact
> > made long distance migration easier.
>
> Conventional wisdom has it that PIE speakers came from landlocked
> areas and as such were unfamiliar with oceans or large bodies of
> water. There has been considerable debate about whether Poseidon is a
> land God or sea God.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poseidon
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> "Given Poseidon's connection with horses as well as the sea, and the
> *landlocked situation of the likely Indo-European homeland*, some
> scholars have proposed that Poseidon was originally an aristocratic
> horse-god who was then assimilated to Near Eastern aquatic deities
> when the basis of the Greek livelihood shifted from the land to the
> sea (emphasis added)"
>
> Some scholars (Witzel 2002) have also proposed that Rig Vedic Samudra
> doesn not mean ocean but a lake.
>
> M. Kelkar
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> >
> > Then the Black sea or Caspian Sea would not be any problem for
> > migration. On the contrary, they would facilate the migration, and
> > make mass migration, colonization and trading easier.
> >
> > I therefore think the migation to or from Anatolia, and the
> > migration down to Greece likely occured by boat and most likely
> > streightacross the sea.
> >
> > If migration by boat is considered as the most likely form of
> > migration in this area, I think it will be easier to establish a
> > theory about a migration pattern that explaines the structural
> > groupings of the IE languages.
> >
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