Re: [tied] trzymac'

On Sun, 28 May 2006 16:37:45 +0200, Piotr Gasiorowski
<gpiotr@...> wrote:

>On 2006-05-28 16:02, Sergejus Tarasovas wrote:
>
>> From earlier *tur- (>*tUr-) + a predecessor of *jIma"ti (c), *tur-
>> being a reflex of a root noun ('grasp, grip'), thus along Miguel's
>> lines? The formation type would be that of *bolgodari"ti 'thank' etc.
>
>English offers an even neater parallel: "get/grasp/catch hold of sth."
>The compound would have to be old enough for the morphological seams to
>have been obscured, despite its seemingly "Lekhitic" status. I would
>expect something like *tvIr- rather than *tUr- as the Slavic reflex of
>*//twr-//, but this should be no problem: we may well be dealing with
>*t(v)r^ima- < *tvIrima-.

Yes, I like that.

>> The reflexes of *tur(H)- are well known in Slavic (*tvori"ti
>> (b) 'make', *tvI``rdU (c) 'hard' -- with a strange violation of Hirt's
>> Law etc.).

About this violation of Hirt's law: Pokorny's formulation
suggests to me a case of Ht > dh preaspiration: "lit.
tvìrtas, lett. tvirts 'stark, fest'(*twr:-to-), aksl.
tvrUdU, russ. tvërdyj ds. (*twr-; der Wechsel t:d aus urspr.
konson. Stamm zu erklären). If *twrH-tó- > *tWr-thó- ~
*tWr-dhó-, then Hirt's law has nothing to work on.


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