From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 44550
Date: 2006-05-12
>The fuller quotation still confirms my point (you derive 'dog' from 'to
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Piotr Gasiorowski <mailto:gpiotr@...>
> *To:* cybalist@yahoogroups.com <mailto:cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:04 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [tied] Re: Convergence in the formation of IE subgroups
>
> On 2006-05-11 22:41, Patrick Ryan wrote:
>
> > That is a complete misrepresentation of what I am asserting.
> >
> > I am claiming that, in an ancestral language to PIE, *KHE meant
> > 'dog' but that, by the time PIE was developing, no *CV root was
> > permitted (with very few exceptions like *me), and that only
> *k^é?Ø
> > or *k^éhØ (both verbs) was available as a basis on which to form
> > further semantic extensions, in this case, -*w, meaning 'wag'.
> >
> > In my posting, I derive 'dog' from 'wag' NOT 'to be a dog'.
>
> In the posting to which I referred you say only this:
>
> ---
>
> The root on which it is based is obviously **k^eH- (Nostratic **k^A?-),
> 'to be a dog" + *-w, 'to wag the tail like a dog' (PIE *k^eHw-) +
> *n(A), 'a (tail-)wagger' (*k^won-). This (PIE *k^eHw-) is most probably
> also the basis for "howl" (PIE **k^eHwl-) rather than *ul (owls do not
> howl!!!) whereas dogs, when they are not wagging their tails or
> sleeping, frequently do.
>
> ***
> Patrick:
>
> On May 10, I sent a posting with the following material in it:
>
> "
> What my work suggests to me is that "dogs" were an important part of
> our _earliest_ ancestors' lives. And built into the earliest
> language is a clear distinction between "wolves" (FHA; Nostratic
> *wa:-), and "predators" in general; and "dogs" (KHE; Nostratic *k^A- ).
>
> The word Torsten cites for "dog" is _obviously_ not very early!
> "*kWVn/r-" (where in Heaven's name does the -*/r come from???; and
> why *W rather than *w???).
>
> The root on which it is based is obviously **k^eH- (Nostratic
> **k^A?-), 'to be a dog" + *-w, 'to wag the tail like a dog' (PIE
> *k^eHw-) + *n(A), 'a (tail-)wagger' (*k^won-). This (PIE *k^eHw-) is
> most probably also the basis for "howl" (PIE **k^eHwl-) rather than
> *ul (owls do not howl!!!) whereas dogs, when they are not wagging
> their tails or sleeping, frequently do.
>
> "
>
> Feel free to edit my postings if you wish but please do not
> misrepresent what they originally contained.
>
> ***