Re: [tied] Re: Convergence in the formation of IE subgroups

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From: Piotr Gasiorowski

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Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:04 PM

Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Convergence in the formation of IE subgroups

On 2006-05-11 22:41, Patrick Ryan wrote:

>     That is a complete misrepresentation of what I am asserting.
>     
>     I am claiming that, in an ancestral language to PIE, *KHE meant
>     'dog' but that, by the time PIE was developing, no *CV root was
>     permitted (with very few exceptions like *me), and that only *k^é?Ø
>     or *k^éhØ (both verbs) was available as a basis on which to form
>     further semantic extensions, in this case, -*w, meaning 'wag'.
>     
>     In my posting, I derive 'dog' from 'wag' NOT 'to be a dog'.

In the posting to which I referred you say only this:

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The root on which it is based is obviously **k^eH- (Nostratic **k^A?-),
'to be a dog" + *-w, 'to wag the tail like a dog'  (PIE *k^eHw-) +
*n(A), 'a (tail-)wagger' (*k^won-). This (PIE *k^eHw-) is most probably
also the basis for "howl" (PIE **k^eHwl-) rather than *ul (owls do not
howl!!!) whereas dogs, when they are not wagging their tails or
sleeping, frequently do.

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Patrick:

 

On May 10, I sent a posting with the following material in it:

 

"

What my work suggests to me is that "dogs" were an important part of our _earliest_ ancestors' lives. And built into the earliest language is a clear distinction between "wolves" (FHA; Nostratic *wa:-), and "predators" in general; and "dogs" (KHE; Nostratic *k^A- ).

 

The word Torsten cites for "dog" is _obviously_ not very early! "*kWVn/r-" (where in Heaven's name does the -*/r come from???; and why *W rather than *w???).

 

The root on which it is based is obviously **k^eH- (Nostratic **k^A?-), 'to be a dog" + *-w, 'to wag the tail like a dog'  (PIE *k^eHw-) + *n(A), 'a (tail-)wagger' (*k^won-). This (PIE *k^eHw-) is most probably also the basis for "howl" (PIE **k^eHwl-) rather than *ul (owls do not howl!!!) whereas dogs, when they are not wagging their tails or sleeping, frequently do.

 

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Feel free to edit my postings if you wish but please do not misrepresent what they originally contained.

 

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