[tied] Re: Danke - denken - dzienkuje - any connection?

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
<akonushevci@...> wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, alex <alxmoeller@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Piotr Gasiorowski schrieb:
> > > On 2006-04-10 14:50, altamix wrote:
> > >
> > >> it seems to me they are loans into some Slavic Languages from
> > >> Germanic. South Slavic and Russian knows other forms ( fala
> lepo,
> > >> spasiba). BTW, I guess Russian "spasiva" is a sortened form
> > >> from "spasi vam" but I am not sure. The relation

of "spasiva" -

> > >> "spasi-vam" appears to be the same as in Rum. "multsumi" <
> multi
> > >> umili= much obliged..
> > >
> > > It's <spasibo>, short for <spasi (vas) Bog> 'may God save you'.
> > >
> > > Piotr
> > >
> >
> > I just made the connection with Rum. "ispashi" and the adjective
> > "spãshit". Interesting, the loan way here appears to be
> > controversate since the source for Rum. "ispashi" is given
> > CommonSlavic "sUpasiti" and the source for the

adjective "spãshit"

> > is the same CommonSlavic "sUpasiti". Which should be the

etymology

> > of this Slavic "sUpasiti"? Are there other meanings of the words
> > beside the religios character?
> >
> >
> > Alex
> ************
> If my memory serve me good, I think that Rum. <ispashi> 'to serve
> sentence' is directly from infinitive form <ispašiti> 'to expiate'
> and closely related to <patnja> 'suffering' and <patiti> 'to
> suffer'. Because these words are known only in Serbo-Croatian, it

is

> wise to see in them a loan from Vulgar Latin <patior> 'id.'.
>
> Konushevci
>

The evolution of that Vulgar Latin word in Balkans arrived to
Romanian pãTi /p&c'i/


So you proposed:

a)
Vulgar-Latin-in-Balkans that-is Proto-Romanian -> Serbo-Croatian -

> 'and-finally-back-to' Romanian?

next you proposed:

b) patiti > ispašiti => ti > ši and ti > ti in the same time??? Or
soemthing different than this?


'Both' a) and b) are 'delicate' explanations...

Marius