Re: [tied] Re: IE root melH-

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Subject: [tied] Re: IE root melH-

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>     On 3/31/06, Patrick Ryan <proto-language@...<mailto:proto-
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cybalist@yahoogroups.com<mailto:cybalist@yahoogroups.com>, "bily_dim"
 <bily_dim@> wrote:
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>         > Dear colleagues,
>         > what could you say about the identification of the
laryngeal in the
>         IE
>         > root melH- "to grind"?
>         >
>         > Biliana Mihaylova
>         ************
>         I think that it will be *H1, for Alb.
<blozhdë> 'perforated
>         thoroughly' should be probably from *mleH1-zd-eH2 > mle:-
zd-aH2 >
>         blozhdë, for *e: > Alb. /o/.
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>         Konushevci
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>         ***
>         Patrick:
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>         I doubt very seriously that <blozhdë> is derived from *m.lé
(:); the semantics just do not match.
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>         The commonest attested PIE formative with verbs, in my
uninteresting opinion, was -*Ha (from Nostratic -*?a), which created
a stative verbal form.
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>         Because of its constitution with /a/, the laryngealist's
equivalent would be *H2.
>
>         We actually have some IE forms which can be derived from
*m.l6Ha(:) (*mla:), which meant 'ground up, pulverized'.
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>         *H1 (my *He) is not known by me to be a verbal formant
(extension).
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>         ***
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>     As well Alb. <bluej/bluaj> 'to grind, crush, mill' should be
from *mleH1-n-yo > ble:nyo, for long *e is usually diphthonged
followed by nasal.
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>     ***
>     Patrick:
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>     Why not simply *m.lé:-n-yo-?
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>     ***
For syllabic /m./ yields Alb. <a> and in this case we will have
aluenj/aluanj.

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Patrick:

 

OK. Then mlé:-n-yo.

 

The point was whether we need to reconstruct *H. Perhaps Miguel has some way of differentiating *e: from *e(:)H.

 

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