Re: [tied] Rounding (was: Greek labiovelars)

--- "Anders R. Joergensen" <ollga_loudec@...>
wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Sean Whalen
> <stlatos@...> wrote:
> >
> > > for- is probably not a case of rounding, but
> rather
> > > influenced by
> > > *upo > *wo
> >
> > It could be analogy, but if the other examples
> are
> > true it's not necessary.
>
> Well then you just give up explaining the British
> Celtic reflex
> *wor...

I'm not giving up; initial w in P-Celtic can cause
rounding independent of the Irish types.

> > from Andrew Sihler's _New Comparative Grammar of
> > Greek and Latin_:
> >
> > ruud nom., roída gen., "great wood" OIr < *
> prowidhu-/
> > prowidhous (pronounced ru:D(W?) roiDa)
> > from
> > *widhu- "division, border" > wood fid OIr, gwydd
> W,
> > widu OE
>
> Yes, this is u-infection, not the same as influence
> from a
> labiovelar (though it may have happened at the same
> time).

Sihler says final u causes rounding and drops;
spelling daur indicating darW etc., and if so the
roundings would be for the same reason at the same
time.

> > > borrowing from
> > > Latin vesper, just like W gosper, Bret. gousper
> >
> > It's no borrowing; "evening" W ucher; Co
> gurth-uher
> > from my *wesxWeros (we>wi>wu>u as ugeint "twenty")
> in
> > Proto-Celtic.
>
> How can you tell whether it's inherited or borrowed?

I can't be completely sure fescor is inherited, but
since W ucher; Co gurth-uher exist and are evidence
toward my stage *wesxWeros I think this makes it more
likely. In another word I have initial *sxW > kW in
Irish, so s-xW > s-kW seems to fit (also sw > p in
piuthar Gaelic, s/fiur OIr, perhaps through sw > sf to
account for all forms and lenition?).




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