--- In
cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
<akonushevci@...> wrote:
>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci" <
> > > > There isn't any dh~v alternation in dhemjë ~ vemjë
> > > >
> > > > An initial o:- passed to ve- (etc...) and an internal -o:-
> > passed
> > > to
> > > > e (with the known exceptions)
> > > >
> > > > So we have Only o:- in vemjë and *dz- + o: in dhemjë
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards,
> > > > Marius
> > > ************
> > > For, you say so, isn't it!
> > >
> > > Konushevci
> >
> >
> > Abdullah, what are the outputs of an initial PAlb *o:- in Alb ?
> > It's PAlb o:- > Alb. ve- also among these outputs?
> >
> > Marius
> ************
>
> According to my attempts for an Albaniana Inherited Lexicon:
>
> *H2ewi-, colored to *H2awi- `bird'. 1. Alb. <vidë> `dove, pigeon',
> probably from extended form *H2awi-d-a:. Also with diminutive
> suffix ëz <vid-ëz> (cf. Lat. avis `bird'). 2. *o:w-yo > voe >
> ve `egĝ (cf. Lat. o:vum, Gr. o:ion, Sl. jaja, ON egg, OI
> avyaka `id.').
>
> *demel- `worm'. Alb. <dhemje> `caterpillar, larva', also
> <vemje> `id.'. dhemizë `magot; blowfly', probably from *dho:melyeH2
> > dhemjë, later used as singularized plural <dhemje>: Epidaur.
> Demeleas. (Pokorny demel- 201.)
>
> I will add to my previous derivation maybe s-mobile form *s-demel-
> yeH2, that fits better.
>
> Konushevci
>
1. If Latin o:vum (or the PIE root for egg) gave => OAlb voe > Alb ve
is clear enough that the output of an initial o:- could be 'directly'
ve- without any prefix?
2. I said 'it could' not 'it was'....
3. So at least (based on the egg word) you need to agree that an
initial ve- is possible to appear. Could you admit this possibility?
You need because 'is visible' in the 'egg' word: ve
4. Do we need to follow all the possibilities or only some of them?
For sure we need to follow all of them.
5. Following also this possibility ve- < o:- and applying it to vemjë
we will obtained: o:mj-ë => Strange! We have a word in Romanian
o:midã 'caterpillar' => "so very similar" in meaning, isn't it, with
vemjë?
6. Still Following this possibility => if we will complete o:mj-ë
with 'the Romanian' -d- we will obtain the same PAlb word : *o:mid&
7. Is an intervocalic -d- (at least in multi-syllabic words) dropped
in Albanian ? Yes, It is. So o:mid& > vemj& is completly regular in
Albanian.
8. Is *o:mida: a valid PAlb possibility for Albanian vemjë? Yes it
is. If valid, could you ignore it? No you cannot.
9. Could we link dhemjë with vemjë? Yes, we could: the meaning is
almost the same. Based on 8, could 'you imagine' now that v- is not a
prefix in vemjë ? I hope so , because you can see now that it could
arrive from an o:- => and finally could you imagine that it could
happened not to be any alternating prefix dh <-> v in vemjë~dhemjë =>
and that finally the prefix is only *dz- > Albanian dh- and a long
o: ? I hope so...
10. Based on 1-9 : is Ok for you to answer me as: "For, you say so,
isn't it!?" I can answer to you: No, is not Ok!
Of course, you can answer me as you want, but finally will be bad for
you to ignore such a possibility...that is constructed based on three
forms: Albanians vemjë/dhemjë and Romanian omida. Or 'you prefer' to
simple ignore Romanian omida? I hope not.
Marius