Re: PIE prek'- ; prok' ; prk'- 'to ask'

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "pielewe" <wrvermeer@...> wrote:

> On the other hand it is striking that Russian "pric^init'" 'cause'
> (which stylistically feels like a Slavonicism and has the
> corresponding stress pattern) is firmly associated with negative
> phenomena such as pain, harm, sorrow, and loss. If that association
> is already present in Bulgarian (the first place to look if you are
> discussing the Slavic elements of Rumanian and the Church Slavonic
> part of the Russian lexicon), the drift to the type of meaning
> attested in Rumanian may become understandable after all.
>

You are right here. So you agree at least that the initial place for
this word are the Balkans...

> > Everybody that considers *pric^ina as an inherited Slavic word
> needs
> > to start with the meaning of the PIE construction and not from
> later
> > variations.
>
> IMHO there is no need to do that because it is obviously a

productive

> formation within Slavic.

*pri- is productive in Slavic, yes. But you cannot apply *pri- in top
of any word, based Only on the assumption that is "productive".

In addition pri- is mainly a Verbal preffix not 'any kind' of
preffix and here we have a proposed PIE *-no formation so an
adjectival formation :*pri + *kWei-no-

In conclusion: *pri + *kWei-no- "at arrang-'ed'" has no sense in
PIE ; and in any case it cannot arrive to the meanings that you
pointed out very well (and that I have tried to point out too):

"is firmly associated with negative phenomena such as pain, harm,
sorrow, and loss."

Marius