Re: Question on Latin galbinus

> > What is strange also here, is that even in PAlb, the PIE *g'Hlh3-

> > will give PAlb *gál- (for PIE *l.h3/*r.h3> PAlb *ar/*al see also

PIE

> > *prh3-wo > Alb *parë 'first')
> >
> > Derivation:
> > PIE *g'Hlh3- > [g'/l > g/l] > Early-PAlb *gHlh3- [l.h3 > al~la]
>
> > PAlb *gál-
> >
> > However because I doubt that the source of Latin galbinus was a

PAlb

> > *gal-b-ina < PIE *g'Hlh3-bh-ino, from here my question

regarding a

> > right source.
> >
> > Thanks again for any help.
> > Marius
> >

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel J. Milton" <dmilt1896@...>
wrote:

>
> I've got a vague memory of a thread on "galbinus", the Emperor
> Galba, etc. on Cybalist a couple of years ago. I could be wrong --
> maybe it was only that something on Cybalist lead to further

googling

> on these.
> Someone with an effective search method for Cybalist might be

kind

> enough to check.
> Dan
> ******

I found the discussion (it was before my arrival here) at :

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/18019 etc.. (thanks a
lot)

Some conclusions:

a) much more likely galbinus is borrowed in Latin (as I have
supposed too based on PIE *g'Helh3-wo- > Latin helvus /heluus/ )

> Latin <galbus>, <galbinus> etc.
>are either unrelated or borrowed (much more likely the latter,
>IMO); at any ratethey can't be inherited reflexes of the PIE term >
>in Latin.
>Piotr

a) there is no -b- in Germanic

> From: "Miguel Carrasquer" <mcv@...>
> There is no *b in Germanic: OE geolo > yellow, OS, OHG gelo (G.
> gelwes) > Gelb (with b < w), Du. geel, dial. geluw.

a.+ In addition the Germanic forms are mainly based on:
*g'Helh3- > PGerm. *gel- (ex. PIE *g'Helh3-w- > PGerm. gel-wes )
*g'Hlh3- > PGerm. *gul- (ex. PIE *g'Hlh3-tom > PGerm. *gulTan >
English gold, etc..)

(If somebody knows an o-grade Germanic form of *g'Holh3- that gave
PGerm *gal- please to post it. Thanks a lot.)


c) The Celtic forms a mainly based on the full-grade

PIE *g'Helh3-wo > PCeltic *gel-wo > Ir. gel 'white', Breton:
gell 'brown'

Question : I know that in Celtic PIE *l.h2 > PCeltic *la: but I
don't know what is the output of lh3 and if the switch la:~a:l
appears too. Note that the Latin galbinus has a short *a not a Long
one. Thanks for any help here too.

d) Based on the above situation: I think that we need to take into
account that the zero grade *g'Hlh3- of the PIE g'Helh3- 'yellow-
greenish' would gave *gál- in PAlb.(Balkan source?) => so a Balkan
valid source for Latin galbinus is also possible

(see that the PIE *g'Hlh3- gave in PGermanic *gul => like in PIE
*g'Hlh3-tom > PGerm. *gulTan > English gold, etc..)


Thanks again for any help,
Marius



P.S. I strongly suspect that the name of Roman Emperor Galba
means 'The Fat one' with no link with the 'yellow-greenish' color