Re: [tied] H4 - identity? Existance?

From: Abdullah Konushevci
Message: 43649
Date: 2006-03-04

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "P&G" <G&P@...> wrote:
>
> >Are there other possible
> >identities for h4? Does h4 actually exist, and if not, where does
the
> >"h" in Albanian come from?
>
> I suspect the only source for h4 is the desire of linguists to
explain why
> some apparent h2 survive in Hittite while in other cases it
vanishes. Is
> there anything outside Hittite that would compel us to suggest
h4? If we
> could show that some Albanian initial h correspond precisely to
cases where
> Hittite loses h2, then you might be on to something. But I
suspect you'll
> only be able to find one or two instances at best.
>
> So my advice is to make sure we have to believe in it, before we
try to work
> out what it was.
>
> Peter
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Due to the respect I have for Peter, I just like to reply to back
him up, based in one very good study, that one could also found in
the Internet under the title “Albanian Tocharian B Glossary”,
written probably from experienced scholar, but whose name is not
mentioned and who refers too much to Adams. What I like to point out
is exactly the fact that author gives us no more then two examples:

Albanian ftoh `cool off' (<*h4eps-top-eh1-sḱe/o-) from PIE *top-
‘firebrand’: Skt tapati ‘is warm, burns’: Av tapaiti ‘is warm’: Lat
tepeo: ‘am warm’: Hittite tapassa ‘fever, heat’. I will add here
also Sl topao/topla/toplo ‘warm’, toplina ‘warmth’, istopiti ‘to
melt’ etc.

H4org’hiyeha:> Alb <herdhe> ‘testicle’. It is to be noticed that
*g’h yields /d/, that preceded by /r/ ends in /dh/: MIr
uirgge ‘id.’ < *H4org’hiyeha:.Av &r&zi ‘id.’.

Konushevci