[tied] Re: The physical type of proto-Indo-Europeans

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@...>
wrote:

>
> > There is abundant
> > evidence of this in the steppes of Europe and adjacent
> > areas as of the mid-3rd millennium BC (and even
> > earlier).
>
> A steppe is not an environment where a civilization could develop,
> increase in number and finally to expand in such a way in which

the

> Indo-Europeans have done.

Which is why Attila, Timur Lenk and Djengis Khan never existed?

> Please take a look today and see what is the human density per
> square-km in the Ukraine's steppes...

And compare that to Mongolia in the 13th century.

>and what is that density in Holland

Which is why Holland has ravaged Europa repeatedly with invasions?

>
> If you will take a look an other examples first you need a big

river

> (see Nile,Euphrat,Tigris,Indus etc... as valid historical examples
> where such a civilization could appear) or at least a proximity to
> the sea and/or a 'Mediteranean' climate (see Greeks, & Romans)
>


> I cannot see how a civilization can increase in such a huge number
> (as was the case for IE-s) ...if you place their homeland in a
> region with temperatures of -30C in the winter and +40 during the
> summer..without important reserves in vegetation, animals, waters,
> salt, minerals and woods
>

The less people have, the more they want and the nastier they get.
Some Arab historian in Egypt, his name escapes me, built his
historical philosophy around an eternal cycle of hungry desert-
dwellers invading and conquering degenerate and peace-loving city-
dwellers, only to become degenerate and peace-loving themselves and
eventually suffer the fate of their victims at the hand of new
hungry invaders.

> The single big river that I can see in Europe with such a

temperate

> climate (Note: at that time (7000-5000 BCE) the climate was much
> colder than it is today, so we need to go more to the south) is

the

> Danube River. So if there was a European homeland for the Indo-
> Europeans, this should be: 'all along the medium and/or the

inferior

> course of the Danube River' ...(where Europe is defined here as
> usual should be -> from Atlantic Ocean until the Ural Mountains) ..
>


> More exactly I will place the center of this zone 'the ideal

Danube

> zone' along today border between Romanian & Serbia 'Iron Gate

zone':

> waters, salt, minerals, wood, birds/animals/fishes, temperate
> climate with Mediteranian influences.
>
> http://encarta.msn.com/map_701511972/Danube.html

And where people have civilised names like 'Marius'? ;-)


Torsten