[tied] Re: searching for common words for all today's languages

From: tgpedersen
Message: 43291
Date: 2006-02-07

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...>
wrote:
>
> At 6:06:39 AM on Monday, February 6, 2006, tgpedersen wrote:
>
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott"
> > <BMScott@> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> >> Salmons did a pretty thorough job on Ruhlen's alleged
> >> *tik word; some of the criticisms are specific to that
> >> word, but the (rather serious) methodological criticisms
> >> carry over to the rest of the list.
>
> > He probably did, I haven't read it. AfaIk no one proposed
> > so far that the alleged cognates were loans, much less
> > refuted that idea.
>
> Actually, many of the methodological objections to the idea
> that they're cognate are also damaging to the idea that
> they're loans:
>
> * unconvincing semantics;
> * absurdly generous criteria for phonological matches;
> * the fact that he ignores time depth.
>
> In short, it's not clear that there's anything there to be
> explained in the first place, as cognates *or* as loans.
>

Applying the above objections to the idea is a categorial mistake,
they must apply to the individual members of the individual proposed
sets (at least wrt the first two, I'm not sure what the third
means?). Thus they can be used to reject individual members of sets
or individual sets of cognates, not the theory. If you have such
objections for eg. the "aqua" set, let's hear them.


Torsten