--- tgpedersen <
tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Sean Whalen
> <stlatos@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> >
> > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Sean Whalen
> > > <stlatos@...> wrote:
> >
> > > > gWm,yox gWHenyox tenyox medHyos verdHom
> >
> > > > v > w
> >
> > > What's the v > w rule for? I thought PIE had
> /w/,
> > > not /v/?
> >
> > I believe that in PIE b > v except after u or
> um
> > and v > u in the coda of a syllable (with other
> rules
> > I've described in the past happening during this
> time
> > also).
>
> Aha, to explain he lack of /b/, I suppose?
Partially; there are many rules and alternations
that this works with.
gYHyembs gYHyembes dHeub- kumb- gYlobs
gYHyemps gYHyembes dHeub- kumb- gYlobs
gYHyemps gYHyemves dHeub- kumb- gYlovs
gYHyemps gYHyemves dHeub- kumb- gYlov_
gYHyemps gYHyemves dHeub- kumb- gYlo:v
gYHyemps gYHyemwes dHeub- kumb- gYlo:w
gYHyemps gYHyemes dHeub- kumb- gYlo:w
gYHyemps gYHyemes dHeub- kumb- gYlo:u
gYHyemps gYHyemes dHeub- kumb- gYlo:us
winter -s deep bend husband's
(down) sister
stop > -voice before s/t/etc. in syl.
b > v except after u or um
s > 0 and lengthens vowel with tone after sonorant or
continuant consonant
v > w in the coda of a syllable
v > w after m
w > 0 after rounded or bilabial
w > u in the coda of a syllable
analogy (-s added to nom. sng. of some words ending in
u, H etc.
> but v > M > m before n
> > (atamn "tooth") and remains v (with no vowel
> rounding)
> > in most positions.
>
> How does this prove the presence of original v ?
> What's wrong with
> w > M > m before n (or better w > G > m before n)
> and w > v?
Because w > g (*weden- > get *dwo:u > *tgu: > erku
*daxiwr- > taigr). If *(w > M > m before n) then
*xYnYewn > *xYenYnYemn > *? innim instead of inn.
Similarly in Greek no *enneun.
> > assimilation) but *xYnYew-n > *xYnY-nYew-n >
> en-new-a
> > > en-ne-a "nine").
> >
>
> But shouldn't it be -eU- instead of -ew-, and -un-
> directly?
Glides (and probably at least some consonants) move
out of the onset between a vowel and a syllabic
consonant. Whether this follows ew>eu etc. (and
resyllabification and u>w i>y in onset in various
languages after syllabic consonants become V(C) and H
drops) or not doesn't matter to this part of my
theory. Only that V-vC and Vw-C or Vu-C have
different outcomes matters here.
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