Re: [tied] No person and number endings in IE Nordwestblock?

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From: tgpedersen

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Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 4:23 AM

Subject: Re: [tied] No person and number endings in IE Nordwestblock?

 

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I will see if I can find it in my heart to forgive you that you
overlooked the quotes.

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Patrick:

 

I will see if I can forgive you for employing such chauvinistic terminology whether in quotes or not. What could be the legitimate purpose of using it at all?

>   Which means we would explain the tendency towards non-inflection
in
>   verbs in Northern Germanic (it was never there in the substrate)
and
>   the form of the middle with one idea.
>
>
>   I think I read a long time ago that in Celtic the 3rd sg middle
can be
>   used in all persons and numbers. Is that so?
>
>   
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>   Patrick:
>
>   The explanation is far simpler.
>
>   Far North Europeans did not originally speak IE; and when they
did learn to speak it, they learned imperfectly, and retained some
speech habits from whatever they spoke before.
>

Yes, that is what 'substrate' means. I which way do you believe this
differs from what I said (apart from the fact that I think that the
immediate substrate in Northern Europe was IE)?

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Patrick:

 

Your idea of 'substrate' and mine are certainly different if you can write this.

 

I did not say that Nordic physical types were the substrate, and autochthonous. That is what you are saying, is that not right?

 

Rather, I think it likelier that Nordic physical types speaking a non-IE language invaded Northern territory already inhabited by PIE-speaking ethnics.

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