Re: Romanian Rothacism and the Iranian Influence

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@...>
wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alex" <alxmoeller@...> wrote:
> >
> > Foreign influence is
> > excluded since no folk around knows this phonetic development.
>
> You are not right here: maybe you wanted to say "no today folk
> around".

speaking about Rumanians, this is what I mean. No folk
around "Rumanians" knows the rothacism.

> L>R is a global transformation in Common Indo-Iranian.

this is known and we pointed several times to this aspect.

> Around (and inside) Dacia there were a lot of Iranian Tribes
> (Scythians & Sarmatians) that arrived almost continously from sec
> VII BCE until V CE, at least one of such tribe Aorsoi (Alanorsoi)
> (attested at Ptolemeus, Strabo) clearly shows the rothacism in
> their
> name: 'The White Alans'(Ossetic: urs / ors `white' -> Ossetic is
> considered to have a Sarmatian or Scythian origin) < PIE *h1elu-so-
> '(glowing) red, reddish-white' (see also Sanskrit aru.sá)
> The intervocalic l-rothacism has in Proto-Romanian as an upper
> limit sec V-VI CE and being not shared with PAlbanians (very
> strange
> because as you said the n-rothacism is shared and take place after
> l- rothacism) should be originated in the Northern Part of Balkans
> and in Dacia (because at this upper timeframe the PAlbanians where
> for a long time more or less in their today location)

why strange? Because this aspect will disturbe the idea the Albanians
should be Dacians? If the Albanians should be Carps or what_ever,
people who migrated from North of Danuber after III century AC, then
they should know the rhotacism; they don't. And the Latin loanwords
in Rumanian are affected by rhotacism, thus?
Parvan sustained the Great Getic Migration which is well documented
should have been in the first milenium before Christus and a such
migration together with the neolitic background will explain the
similiarties which are just in Alb. & Rum. Of course this has the
disadvantage to push all these actions very deep in the past, but it
appears to be the only explanation.
No one can assume the rhotacism happened after the Carps migrated
South of Danube ( for keeping the idea Alb. are the Carps) but ceased
before Slavic Migration thus, a very short period of time about 100-
150 years. It seems, regardless in which direction we draw the
things, we can explain these curiosities between Alb. and Rum just
pushing the things back in time, long time before Roman times.

Alex