--- In
cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...>
wrote:
>
> alexandru_mg3 wrote:
>
> > You are right again. But on the other hand I have asked
you : "Are
> > you sure about another source of y but iu (u:) and iu"
> > a) If you are sure, please post here a reliable example.
> > b) If you are not sure, the u(:) and the i(:) was there because
> > otherwise we cannot obtain any y...
>
> Have _you_ got any certain examples of Alb. /y/ from *iu or *ui? As
far
> as I'm aware, the normal source of /y/ is Proto-Albanian *u: .
From my mind now I can give you :
a) Rom fluier <-> Alb. fyell showing Romanian ui <-> Alb y
b) Also Alb. qytet (Latin loan) showing Lat. -iwi- > Alb. y (so iu
or ui or iui)
but I will consult my list of words in the eevning too to can give
you additional examples.
Next the intermediate stage of u: > y was 'very probable' iu (or ui)
(as for o: was oe and for a: I suspect wa (see a possible derivation
like A:lutus > Wal(u)tus > Oltu with regular wa > o in Romanian as in
una>unã>uã>uo(attested)>o 'a fem.') similar with Ma:ris>MoreS
(attested)>MureS;Sa:mus>SomeS (if so when the Romans arrived in
Balkans we have already PAlb wa for older PAlb a: -> this would
explain Lat a: > Alb/Rom a and on the other hand the phonetic
evolution of the main river names above)
> It's true
> that in a stressed final open syllable we get Alb. /i/ rather
than /y/,
> as in <mi> 'mouse' < *mu:(s-)
The i in mi is due to the preceeding m not to the stressed final
open syllable, similar with the i in bisht (< PIE bhu:- 'to grow')
that is due to the preceeding b.
, but any *u: resulting from contraction
> that occurred after the unrounding would have joined the mainstream
> development into /y/, as have the *u:'s found in Roman-time
borrowings.
Please to give some 'reliable' :) examples here...of '*u:
resulting from contraction'
> As it happens, *duwo: itself is "reliable" enough, since it's a
safely
> reconstructed word of known structure.
Known PIE structure yes, but you still need to show with an
additional example that Alb -uwo: can phonetically give y. Otherwise
we will remain with 'one rule for one example' ...
(If this example is so 'reliable' I could ask you : "why so many
different derivations and workarounds for dy?")
Best Regards,
Marius