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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...> wrote:
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> At 7:34:52 PM on Saturday, November 5, 2005, mkelkar2003
> wrote:
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> > As I have noted already IE linguists H. H. Hock and
> > linguists Johanna Nichols are not in disfavor of a IE
> > homeland in the Indian subcontinent.
>
> That you have made the claim before doesn't make it true.
> Certainly Hock argued against the out-of-India hypothesis in
> 1999. And Bactria-Sogdiana isn't India.
>
> Brian
I said Indian Subcontinent not the modern nation state of India.
About Hock, no need to take my word for it. See p.9 bottom of the
page, and p. 14 second para,
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http://www.omilosmeleton.gr/pdf/ait_and_scholarship.pdf>
"What is most important here is that according to Hock THERE ARE NO
SUBSTANTIAL LINGUSITIC ARGUMENTS AGAINST THE PROPSITION THAT IE
BRANCHES MOVED OUT OF INDIA (Kazanas 2001, emphasis in the original)."
p. 24 of the same paper:
"In any case....Hock (1999) capable of supporting emigarations out of
Saptasindhu and the adjecent area (Kazanas, 2001)."
And finally,
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http://koenraadelst.voiceofdharma.com/reviews/hock.html?
"Indeed, Prof. Hock himself accepts that pinpointing the exact
location in this vast stretch of land is a question which "may, in
fact, never be settled". (p.17) But if it is too early to exclude any
part of this territory from possible Homeland status, is it so crazy
to suggest that the exclusion of India may have been premature as well?"
"However, given the bottle-neck nature of the route(s) out of India,
it would be immensely difficult to do so." (p.16-17, emphasis Hock's)"
" I (Elst)believe there is a plausible and entirely logical
alternative. It remains possible that the isoglosses match a twofold
scenario, part areal effect and part genealogical tree, as follows."
As I read it, Prof Hock is theoretically not opposed to the Indian
Subcontinent, but he does not think its practical. Here is summary of
Hock's opinion on the astronomical date as related by K. Elst.
"I (Elst) still feel more comfortable with the cautious modesty of
Hans H. Hock, who writes about the astronomical evidence in the Vedas
that "a few things can be established with certainty, others with a
good degree of likelihood, and yet others remain entirely uncertain".
(p.297) I believe that this still describes the over-all status
quaestionis (Elst Oct 19, 2005, on the IndianCivilizatin yahoogroup)."
M. Kelkar