Re: [tied] Re: Names of a few Celtic Deities

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From: "Christopher Gwinn" <sonno3@...>
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Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 3:12 PM
Subject: [tied] Re: Names of a few Celtic Deities


> Aydan wrote:
> > What I am truly looking for is any assistance that could offer
> > potential etymologic links between Nuada/Nodens and Neto, Neitin, etc!
> > Is there any way that ALL of the names could be derived from the same
> > root ---- rather than *(s)neudH-/*nedh-/*neud- on one hand and *nei- on
> > the other?
>
> No.
>
> > Is there any way Nodonti, Nodenti, Nudente, Nodentis, Nodens, Nuadat,
> > or Nuada could possibly stem from *nei-???
>
> No.
>
> > Is there any way Neitin, Netus, Netoni, and Neto could possibly stem
> > from *(s)neudH-, *nedh-, or *neud-???
>
> No.
>
> That was easy! :)
>
> =========================
> Patrick wrote:
> > 1) Ne:to: is the inspiration to battle frenzy; the Egyptian female
> > equivalent is Neith, a blood-thirsty cheerleader.
>
> Surely there is no etymological connection between these two names,
> though.

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Patrick:

If you disbelieve in Nostratic: no. If you believe in Nostratic: yes.

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> > 2) Nuado is the 'raider'; the key to understanding his nature is the
> > epithet
> > Airgeadlámh, 'Silver Hand', which is self-explanatory.
>
> I don't think "raiding" has anything to do with his name. "Catcher" maybe,
> but not "raider".

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Patrick:

There are quite a few derivations, like AS ne:at meaning 'cattle'; and cf.
Lithuanian naudà, 'winnings'.

I think these all point in the direction of rustling.

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>
> > What they do have in common is that both are connected to the planet
> > Mercury, the planet of thieves and ululating hysteria.
>
> Hunh??? I don't think so.

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Patrick:

Do you doubt that Hermes/Mercury is the patron of thieves? Ask Apollo? Or
perhaps his son, Autolycus

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> > Cattle-Hand might have been a little awkward, do you not agree?
> > Silver-Hand poetically expresses the greed for any material benefit very
> > nicely.
>
> > I cannot find in my references here the myth of how Nuadh lost his hand.
> > Can
> > you refresh my memory?
>
> He lost it in fighting in the first battle of Mag Tuired:
> "The battle of Mag Tuired was fought between them and the Fir Bolg. The
> Fir
> Bolg were defeated, and 100,000 of them were killed including the king,
> Eochaid mac Eire. Nuadu's hand was cut off in that battle--Sreng mac
> Sengainn struck it from him. So with Credne the brazier helping him, Dian
> Cecht the physician put on him a silver hand that moved as well as any
> other
> hand." (Cath Maighe Tuired, Elizabeth Grey trans.)

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Patrick:

Thank you.

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> > Tyr is almost certainly a sun-god, and his association with the Thing
> > substantiates it; the solar divinity and law are almost always related.
>
> Sky god, yes, but I don't think he is what anyone would call a true sun
> god.

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Patrick:

The sun-god and justice are always associated in ancient mythology. Thr
Thing was for dispensing justice as well as making laws.

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> > His lost hand is the penalty for perfidy. Did he have a prosthesis? I
> > cannot
> > remember one.
>
> No prosthesis for Tyr.

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Patrick:

Nor for C. Mucius Scaevola.

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> - Chris Gwinn