Re: [tied] Re: Ie. *laywos/leh2iwos (was: ka and k^a)

On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 11:52:24 +0200 (CEST), Mate Kapović
<mkapovic@...> wrote:

>On Ned, rujan 25, 2005 11:36 am, Miguel Carrasquer reče:
>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 01:53:33 +0200 (CEST), Mate Kapović
>> <mkapovic@...> wrote:
>>
>>>On Ned, rujan 25, 2005 1:00 am, Miguel Carrasquer reče:
>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 00:41:13 +0200 (CEST), Mate Kapović
>>>> <mkapovic@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Ned, rujan 25, 2005 12:20 am, Miguel Carrasquer reče:
>>>>>> *ah2i would produce a circumflex, at least that's what
>>>>>> happens in the Auslaut (Lith -ai, no Saussure's law).
>>>>>> Then again *lah2iwós (if that's a possible form at all)
>>>>>> would probably have given a long vowel in Greek (hard to
>>>>>> sure because of Osthoff's law, but I'd expect *la:(i)ós ~
>>>>>> *le:(i)ós like, say, o:ión).
>>>>>
>>>>>*leh2iwós should behave like *h2o:wyóm? Why?
>>>>
>>>> Becuase they have nearly identical structure (post-laryngeal
>>>> *la:iwós, *o:uyóm).
>>>
>>>Can we be sure that *leh2iwós would yield *la:ywos and not *laywos? That
>>>would depend on whether it was *leh2iwós or *leh2ywós. Hmm...
>>
>> According to Jens' rules concerning "long diphthongs", a
>> form *leh2iwós would not be possible. The expected
>> structure would be either stressed and metathesized
>> *léih2wos or unstressed *lh2iwós, neither of which could
>> have given Slavic lęvU (ap c).

ISO-8859-2 renders e-circumflex as ę. If I keep Mate's
encoding I have to type i-grave for e-caron, like thus:
lěvU.

>> The full grade of the root is unremarkable if the word
>> contains etymological */a/, since the zero grade of */a/ is
>> */a/, as in *nas- obl. *nas-; *sal- obl. *sal-, etc. Since
>> these are acrostatic formations, we would expect Ablaut
>> *oN/*eN (*noNs-, obl. *neNs-), and apparently the reflexes
>> of *oN and *eN merged, Old-Polish-style, as **/aN/ (> */a/).
>
>OK, I get that, but isn't it just 'ideal IE'? I mean, according to this,
>words like *septm´ and *wl´kWos would be impossible and they're obviously
>not (I know *septm is a number and I know that *wl´kWos is due to
>retraction because it became a noun but still). But it is a good argument,
>I admit.
>
>And another thing - it's interesting that another IE word for 'left',
>*skaywós also has *ay.

That could have /a/ due to proximity to /k/, or due to
etymological (in my view nasalized) /a/. The word itelf is
curiousy absent from Pokorny, but we have Grk. skaiós, Lat.
scaevus, and with different extensions Lith. kaire:~, Irish
ciot-, Gmc. *skaib-. The root *(s)kam(P)- (also *skem(P)-)
"crooked" has more satem reflexes, also pointing to *k, but
also pointing to a nasal.

The full vowel again seems to favour etymological /a/ here,
but there's no telling how the two words *skaiwós and
*laiwós may have influenced each other. Maybe it was
*skáibhos (= G. schief, Du. scheef) > *skaiwós in
Latin/Greek under the influence of *laiwós, maybe the
analogy acted in the opposite direction.


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