Re: [tied] Re: Ie. *laywos/leh2iwos (was: ka and k^a)

From: Mate Kapović
Message: 40603
Date: 2005-09-25

On Ned, rujan 25, 2005 11:36 am, Miguel Carrasquer reče:
> On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 01:53:33 +0200 (CEST), Mate Kapović
> <mkapovic@...> wrote:
>
>>On Ned, rujan 25, 2005 1:00 am, Miguel Carrasquer reče:
>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 00:41:13 +0200 (CEST), Mate Kapović
>>> <mkapovic@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Ned, rujan 25, 2005 12:20 am, Miguel Carrasquer reče:
>>>>> *ah2i would produce a circumflex, at least that's what
>>>>> happens in the Auslaut (Lith -ai, no Saussure's law).
>>>>> Then again *lah2iwós (if that's a possible form at all)
>>>>> would probably have given a long vowel in Greek (hard to
>>>>> sure because of Osthoff's law, but I'd expect *la:(i)ós ~
>>>>> *le:(i)ós like, say, o:ión).
>>>>
>>>>*leh2iwós should behave like *h2o:wyóm? Why?
>>>
>>> Becuase they have nearly identical structure (post-laryngeal
>>> *la:iwós, *o:uyóm).
>>
>>Can we be sure that *leh2iwós would yield *la:ywos and not *laywos? That
>>would depend on whether it was *leh2iwós or *leh2ywós. Hmm...
>
> According to Jens' rules concerning "long diphthongs", a
> form *leh2iwós would not be possible. The expected
> structure would be either stressed and metathesized
> *léih2wos or unstressed *lh2iwós, neither of which could
> have given Slavic lęvU (ap c).
>
> The full grade of the root is unremarkable if the word
> contains etymological */a/, since the zero grade of */a/ is
> */a/, as in *nas- obl. *nas-; *sal- obl. *sal-, etc. Since
> these are acrostatic formations, we would expect Ablaut
> *oN/*eN (*noNs-, obl. *neNs-), and apparently the reflexes
> of *oN and *eN merged, Old-Polish-style, as **/aN/ (> */a/).

OK, I get that, but isn't it just 'ideal IE'? I mean, according to this,
words like *septm´ and *wl´kWos would be impossible and they're obviously
not (I know *septm is a number and I know that *wl´kWos is due to
retraction because it became a noun but still). But it is a good argument,
I admit.

And another thing - it's interesting that another IE word for 'left',
*skaywós also has *ay.

Mate