Re: [tied] Re: Ianus - PIE Origin?

From: Joao S. Lopes
Message: 40318
Date: 2005-09-22

Diana < *Di:viana < *Di:wiya:na:< *Di:wiyos "divine"

If Ianus was a cognate, it would be <*Dja:nus, but
it's hard to relate *Dye(:)u to *Dya(:).

I prefer to Ia:nus < *ya: (yeH2-), or alternatively,
as a pre-Roman name.

Ani > Ia:nus ... or Ia:nus > Ani ?

If it's IE, could be the same suffix as Sanskrit
Vis.nu and Avestan Ras^nu.


--- "Daniel J. Milton" <dmilt1896@...> escreveu:


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--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen"
<tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3"
<alexandru_mg3@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Could somebody help with a PIE root and the
derivation of Ianus
> >
> > I could find PIE *ia: from the PIE *ei - 'to go'

> >
> > URL:
> > http://64.233.183.104/search?
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q=cache:d2b35w8ckmAJ:www.bookrags.com/other/religion/janus-eorl-
> > 07.html+Ianus+indo+european&hl=en
> >
>
> I've seen him matched with 'Diana'.
>
>
> Torsten
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Puhvel "Comparative Mythology", which I take as
pretty reliable on
etymology, has "Other figures had nonce names: the
two-faced Janus was
literally 'Gateway', the numen of entrances and
beginnings."
Dumezil "Archaic Roman Religion" has "The probable
etymology of
his name, a stem in -o, or, archaically, -a stem in
-u- ... identifies
him as 'passage'. It is built on the base *y-a-, an
expansion of *ei,
which, in the other Indo-European languages where it
has produced a
derivative, also indicates a passage: the Irish 'ath'
..from *ya-tu-
means 'ford'." He also has a footnote doubting
Ernout's suggestion
that Janus may come from the Etruscan, "it is easier
to imagine the
transition of 'Janus' to Etruscan 'Ani' than the
reverse."
On the other hand, my 1857 Keightley's Classical
Mythology, which
is unreliable for etymology, but does generally get
the facts of
mythology straight, has "An ancient Latin name for the
Moon was Jana.
In the Salian hymns she was invoked as Deiva Jana,
which became
Deivjana, and ultimately Diana. ... The masculine of
Jana is Janus."
and goes on to speculate that, if Jana was the Moon,
Janus must be the
Sun (with some supporting, if not convincing,
evidence).
Dan Milton




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