Re: [tied] Re: IE thematic presents and the origin of their themati

From: Miguel Carrasquer
Message: 40200
Date: 2005-09-20

On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 19:06:39 +0000, Rob
<magwich78@...> wrote:

>--- In, Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...> wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:59:55 +0000, Rob
>> <magwich78@...> wrote:
>> >--- In, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> The -a- is a suffix forming iterative stems.
>> >
>> >Where did/does it come from?
>> Probably *-ah2-, as Latin -a:re.
>Yes, that makes sense.
>> >> The /S/ comes from *-s- > + *-j- (*pros-i-ti vs. *pras-j-a-ti).
>> >
>> >Yes, that's what I had guessed. Where does the *-j- come from,
>> then?
>> The usual pattern for this kind of verbs is short voweled
>> i-verb (e.g. skoc^iti, skoc^joN, skoc^itI) vs. long-voweled
>> a/je-verb (skakati, skac^joN, skac^jetI).
>So the *-j- comes from the verb stem?
>When do you think the *-a- ending was added?

The use of *-ah2- as an iterative ending is at least PIE.
The lengthening of the root vowel is Balto-Slavic (PIE /o/
(> /a/) is lengthened to /a:/, not /o:/). The accentuation
(lengthened a: and e: are circumflex, but i: and u: are
acute) suggests that it happened before the Slavic soundlaw
*ei > i: (which creates a circumflex /i:/) and/or before
Meillet's law (which turns acutes in mobile paradigms into

Miguel Carrasquer Vidal