From: Abdullah Konushevci
Message: 39475
Date: 2005-07-30
On 7/30/05, Patrick Ryan <proto-language@...> wrote:
> Abdullah:
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> Libation as a form of greeting is very old.
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> I am including a link to a .jpg that illustrates 'greeting' from Pyramid
> times.
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> http://geocities.com/proto-language/Egyptian-greeting.jpg
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> Patrick
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Abdullah Konushevci" <akonushevci@...>
> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 8:05 AM
> Subject: [tied] From words to formulas
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> "See for example Kurke 1989, on the pouring (IE *g^heu-) of a poem
> or prayer like a libitation in Vedic (ima giro. juhomi) `I pour
> these songs' RV), Greek euktaia.kheousa `pouring votive prayers',
> Aeschylus), and Latin (fundere preces, Horace, Virgil). If the Latin
> examples of the Augustan age might reflect Greek influence, as she
> acknowledges (124, n. 24), one could also point to the Old Irish
> idiom feraid failte `pours welcome' where Greek influence is not
> possible'. (Watkins, Ho to Kill a Dragon, pp.16.)
> I think that also Albanian formula, VP <derdh lëvdata> `pour
> praises' could also be related to this kind of formulas. PIE *g'h- >
> Alb. /d/. The possibility that Alb. <derdh>, attested in "Meshari"
> (1555) is from o-grade form *g'hou- is much convinced. The problem,
> not little one, is the second part -rd, that easy could be
> combination form of IE *ar-d(h)- `to fit together' (cf. Alb.
> <radhë> `row'). And, indeed, pouring of praises, welcomes, prayers
> must have some arrangement, should be in some order, row etc.
> About etymology of Alb. <derdh> are many guessing, no one plausible,
> at least, to me.
> Other derivative of IE *g'heu- is Alb. <dyllë> `wax' from *g'hu:s-lo
> (cf. Gr. khu:los `juice').
> I don't know for sure, but I think that also Alb. <dum> invar in <
> (s')i jap dum> `to (not) figure out, figure out how to (not)
> handle', probably derived from *g'hus-mo > dum (*sm > m), could help
> us in making better figure about the derivatives of this root and
> its true meaning in PIE way of thinking.
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> Konushevci
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