Re: [tied] From words to formulas

From: Patrick Ryan
Message: 39474
Date: 2005-07-30

Abdullah:

Libation as a form of greeting is very old.

I am including a link to a .jpg that illustrates 'greeting' from Pyramid
times.

http://geocities.com/proto-language/Egyptian-greeting.jpg


Patrick


----- Original Message -----
From: "Abdullah Konushevci" <akonushevci@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 8:05 AM
Subject: [tied] From words to formulas


"See for example Kurke 1989, on the pouring (IE *g^heu-) of a poem
or prayer like a libitation in Vedic (ima giro. juhomi) `I pour
these songs' RV), Greek euktaia.kheousa `pouring votive prayers',
Aeschylus), and Latin (fundere preces, Horace, Virgil). If the Latin
examples of the Augustan age might reflect Greek influence, as she
acknowledges (124, n. 24), one could also point to the Old Irish
idiom feraid failte `pours welcome' where Greek influence is not
possible'. (Watkins, Ho to Kill a Dragon, pp.16.)
I think that also Albanian formula, VP <derdh lëvdata> `pour
praises' could also be related to this kind of formulas. PIE *g'h- >
Alb. /d/. The possibility that Alb. <derdh>, attested in "Meshari"
(1555) is from o-grade form *g'hou- is much convinced. The problem,
not little one, is the second part -rd, that easy could be
combination form of IE *ar-d(h)- `to fit together' (cf. Alb.
<radhë> `row'). And, indeed, pouring of praises, welcomes, prayers
must have some arrangement, should be in some order, row etc.
About etymology of Alb. <derdh> are many guessing, no one plausible,
at least, to me.
Other derivative of IE *g'heu- is Alb. <dyllë> `wax' from *g'hu:s-lo
(cf. Gr. khu:los `juice').
I don't know for sure, but I think that also Alb. <dum> invar in <
(s')i jap dum> `to (not) figure out, figure out how to (not)
handle', probably derived from *g'hus-mo > dum (*sm > m), could help
us in making better figure about the derivatives of this root and
its true meaning in PIE way of thinking.

Konushevci





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