From: Carl Hult
Message: 39109
Date: 2005-07-08
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...><image.tiff>
> wrote:
> > Carl Hult wrote:
> >
> > > Today´s grisly terror attack in London had me thinking of the
> word
> > > terror and its relatives in other tungues. When something like
> this
> > > happens I tend to seek comfort in linguistics. What I am
> thinking of is
> > > whether the swedish verb ´darra´ (shake) (old swedish the same)
> can
> > > correlate and correspond to lat. tremor. The online etymology
> database
> > > has the PIE base *tre- for tremor and tremble, ´shake´, and my
> question
> > > is; can -t- change into -d- like this or is it grammatically
> > > impossible? Can *tre- become swedish ´darra´?
> >
> > First, my condolences and feeling of solidarity for all those who
> have
> > been touched in any way by the bombings and their consequences.
> >
> > The roots *tres- (with the rarer and probably secondary variant
> *ters-)
> > and *trem- have the same meaning of 'shake, tremble'; both occur
> in
> > Latin. They are generally believed to be extensions of something
> older
> > and more elementary like **ter- (unattested on its own) plus old
> > derivational suffixes. I don't know the etymology of <darra>, but
> it
> > can't be related to either, given the normal patterns of
> correspondence.
> >
>
> Falk & Torp
> "
> 'dirre' in recent ablaut to Sw. 'darra' ODa. 'darre'. Next to it are
> forms with -dr- for -rr-: Nw. dial. 'didra' and 'dadra',
> Eng. 'didder' (and 'dodder'), G.
> dial. 'tattern', 'dattern' "tremble" [TP: cf G. 'zittern' id.].
> These side forms seem to represent different types of reduplication,
> a complete ('darra' from *dar-dr-ôn) and an incomplete ('dadra' from
> *da-dr-ôn); cf. Gr. 'toithorúzein' "tremble" from IE root
> *dher "jump" (Gr. thórnusthai), to which also
> Lit. 'drebù' "trembles" and Arm. 'dordoj^el' "tremble"
> "
>
> There is in some IE roots what appears to be an alternation bh/p,
> dh/t etc which isn't discussed much, since one can't use much sense
> of it. Møller refers to it extensively, since there are similar
> alternations in Semitic.
>
>
> Torsten
>
>
>
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