Re: [tied] Prothetic d-? [was: Alb. djathtë]

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...>
wrote:

> alexandru_mg3 wrote:
>
> > The prothetic d(h) < PAlb *dz in Albanian
> >

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> >
> > I present 2 cases (to respect the rule):
> >
> > a) dh- in dhelpër 'fox' is a prothetic dh- PAlb. *dz + *wo:lpa-na
> > *wo:lpi-na or something similar where we can easy identify the

PIE

> > root for 'fox' etc..if we will remove the initial dh-
>
> *wo:lpa/i- is the PIE word for 'fox'? I suppose you need the *o: to
> explain the <e>, since there's no other evidence for a long vowel

at

> this point. <dhelpër, dhelbun-> is so obscure that it could be

almost

> anything, e.g. *g^HolbHino- 'yellowish' (cf. Lat. galbinus).
>
> > b) dh- in dhemje is a prothetic dh . See:
> > dhemje ~ vemje <-> Rom. omida < PAlb. wo:mida: 'magot, larva,
> > caterpillar'. This example for which we have also 2 forms without

dh-

> > one in Albanian and one in Romanian is more than obvious.
>
> _More_ than obvious? It's far less than obvious to me that these

words

> are related at all.
>
> Piotr

Well Piotr, you have expediated in 2-3 short messages situations that
deserves a more detailed analysis...I don't don't why you have lost
your patience.


II. Regarding dhemje ~ vemje
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dhemje ~ vemje <-> Rom. omida < PAlb. wo:mida: 'magot, larva'

(let's keep away Rom. omida from the beginning)

If the correspondance above is "far than obvious" you need to propose
first your derivations for dhemje and vemje before to say this.

Otherwise is easy to say anything...

But my argument is well visible below:
dhemje >[o:>e; dz>dh] > *dz + *wo:mi-
vemje >[o:>e] > *wo:mi-



II. Regarding dhelpër
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As I said I'm not sure about o:. Maybe it was woulpina or even
*walpina > *welpina etc... (I will try to find a cognate here).

But for sure that if you remove the initial dh- as protethic dz
before the semivowel w- it remains (w)elpV- => and you proposed me
not to link this with the word for fox? When its meaning is fox?
Sorry to say but is more than evident.

Also the lengthening of some diphtongs in PAlb. especially in
initial positions is obvious : see vesh < *wausis or *wo:usis

Best Regards,
Marius