Re: [tied] Alb. djathtë -- Where does the come from? (the sol

I.

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:
> alexandru_mg3 wrote:
>
> > Note: I agree that there weren't any: *dek^s(i)no- and *dek^s(i)
tero-
> > , I was the first to say (I mean in this discussion) that we have
> > here a 'simple' *dek^s-)
> > ... which is unattested in IE despite the wide distribution of this
> > word-family.


Piotr, please find here some attested forms:
Gk. dexios
Ir. dess,
Welsh deheu,
Goth. taihswa

url:

http://www.indoeuropean.nl/cgi-bin/response.cgi?
root=leiden&morpho=0&basename=\data\ie\frisk&first=1211


II.
> Piotr wrote:
> Then, if you claim that the reflex of *k^s was still a
> bisegmental sequence like *-cs- in Proto-Albanian, I should challenge
> you to show at least one certain example of *e > *ja before *-k^s-
> followed by a vowel. It seems that proto-Albanian had generally
> eliminated obstruent clusters other than *st and *sp (whose special
> status is cross-linguistic), so I'd be most surprised to see -cs-
there.


I think that is not the case to reject such a simple derivation as:
djathë < *deca: < dek's- due to a possible issue with the reflex je-/ja-

1) ja- could be well explained from
< *dec-s(i)a:

It's true that a later existence of ts-s : dets-s(i)a is less probable
but not impossible. (Also we can think to an assimilation:
ts-s > ts-ts : dets-tsa to explain the close syllable)


b) for a variant in which we expect an earlier retraction of s, it
would be better to review first the context in which je/ja- could
appeared (in order to be sure 100% on it).

Like: ja- could appear if we have had an open syllable with an
-i,-w in the next syllable etc...

In this case: djathë < PAlb. *de-ca:

In conclusion: If something need to be reviewed here: then maybe is
the real/complete context of ja-, but not the rule: k^s > c

As from my part : I think also here that is better to consider an
earlier retraction of s. But the rule is k^s > cs > c > th

Best Regards,
Marius



P.S.:

a) I don't forget, I will search for a second example k^s > c or at
least g^s > th

b) Please try to post your second example too, for :
1. swe > wes
2. swe > th
3. k^/s > zero :)

Best Regards again,
Marius