Re: [tied] PIE *y > Alb. /z/ (was Re: Romanian Verb )

Abdullah Konushevci wrote:

> I hope that you will agree about PIE *mu:s > Alb. mi 'mouse', where
> the loss of /s/ is so obvious and long stressed *u: > Alb. /i/.
> If we agree that in PIE word *su:s- 'pig' we have a dissimilation in
> distance s - s > k' - s, than we have another example *k'u:s > Alb.
> thi 'pig'.

But this loss is restricted to word-final *-s. In verbs, the root-final
*s would have been protected by the inflectional ending (always there)
and the stem-forming elements (if any).

> [AK]
> I believe that you agree that *e > Alb. /ie/ is a regular outcome,
> if not followed by secondary cluster, when it is /ia/.

Yes, but you assume *eu (not *e) here, and *eu > Mod.Alb. e

> [AK]
> I agree that it not contain a Satemisabe *g', but what do you think
> if it was extended in *yeug-staH2, as are most of Albanian old names.
> So, if we assume that velar /*g/ voiced the *-saH2, than it's not
> hard to derive Alb. <zgjedhë> 'yoke' from *yeugztaH2.

I find it hard to accept anything like *jeugstah2 in the first place.
From the point of view of IE morphology, it's an arbitrary monstrosity.
I also fail to see why the *g should have caused the voicing of the
whole cluster instead of getting devoiced itself (the normal direction
of voice assimilation is regressive).

> [AK]
> Honestly speaking, I am not aware of this rule. Would you give other
> examples?

*wik^ah2- + *-pot-/*-potnih2 > zot 'lord', zonjë 'lady'.

> [AK]
> Because I make ad hoc this list, taking a view in Pokorny's root
> list, after your's feedback I read one of Çabej's study in this
> issue "On SOme Albanian Words that Start with Z" (Eqrem
> Çabej, "Studime gjuhësore", IV, Rilindja, Prishtinë, 1977, pp. 25-
> 55). You may found summary in French "A propos de quelques mots de
> l'Albanais commençant par Z".
> Despite the fact that he has completly different view about these
> etymologies, I appriciate to much two new etymologies, regarding
> Alb. adjective <(i,e) zi> 'black' form PIE *i:l (beter *i:li > zij >
> zi:) and <zall> 'gravell' from PIE *ie:lo, attested in Croatian as
> <3^al>.

I don't recognise these PIE words.

Piotr