Re: [tied] Re: Romanian Verb Endings and Substratum influence (repo

PIE *y > Alb. /z/

1) *yes- > Alb. <ziej> 'to boil, cook' (cf. also Illyrian Aquas Jasas);

2)*yew- > për•ziej 'to mix meal', probably from a variant *yew-nyo
(cf. av. yuvati 'id.'); për•ziem•je/përzierje 'mixture' (Pokorny,
*yeu-1, 507)

3) *yeu-4 'to separate, to hold off' > Alb. përza/përzë (cf.
Përzâ/përzë djalin nga shtëpia 'To separate the son from the house, to
hold him off') from o-grade form *you-; i për•zënë 'outlaw', përzënie
'ouster' (Pokorny, *yeu-4, 511).

4) *yem- to hold > zâ/zë 'to hold', prefixed form <nxe> 'hold' (cf.
Skt yamati 'id.')

5) As I claim before, I think also that Alb. <zgjebë> 'scabies' is
derived from *yebh- 'to copulate' (cf. Slavic jebati 'id.', Lat.
iacere 'to lie down').

6) Alb. <zgjedhë> 'yoke' from *yeug- 'to join' (cf. Greek zeugma
'bond', Lat. iugum 'yoke', Sanskrit yoga 'union' etc.)

7) *wikm.ti- 'twenty', zero-grade form *ikm.ti > zati > zet in një•zet
'one twenty', dy•zet 'two twenty', trezet 'three twenty' etc.

In my view, exactly through this sound-law we may be explained today
form of Zadar from Illyrian Iadera.

Konushevci

On 6/2/05, altamix <alxmoeller@...> wrote:
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Abdullah Konushevci
> <akonushevci@...> wrote:
> > I really don't know how one can derives PAlb /j/ from PIE /*e:/ or
> > /*ya:i/, for PIE /*y/, as far as I know, yields PAlb /z/ or,
> > porobably later, /gj/ (cf. PIE *yes- > PAlb. ziej 'to boil'. Greek
> > yeraks, -kos gjeraqinë 'hawk', in one place name Gjerek•ar,
> > Lat. > judicare > gjykonj 'to judge', junctura >
> > gjymtyrë 'extremity, > limb, side' etc.).
>
>
> I guess there is the need to show some more examples where initial
> IE "y" has an output in Albanian. The other examples you give are
> from Latin and Greek, thus very psobile on another time line. From
> these examples we can just see Latin and Greek "y" in initial
> positions yelded Alb. "gj-" which is very plausible since Romance and
> Romanian has too the same output ( g^ > j(consonantal "j" here). That
> is, it fits with the time line of Latin and Greek here.

Alex