Re: [tied] Romanian Verb Endings and Substratum influence (repost)

On Tue, 31 May 2005 10:39:47 +0000, alexandru_mg3
<alexandru_mg3@...> wrote:

>I. Late Latin cantare "to chant, to sing"
>url: http://www.geocities.com/email_theguy/rvulgar.htm
>
>cant-o
>cant-a(s)
>cant-at
>cant-amus
>cant-atis
>cant-ant
>
>
>
>II. Let's see today the Romanian Form based on the Latin Endings above
>
>cânt-(u) (old attested form cânt-u: non-accented o > u)
>cânT-i => ISSUE => cant-a(s)
>cânt-ã
>cânt-ãm
>cânt-aTi ( ti > Ti /ci/)
>cânt-ã
>
>=> ISSUE at 2nd sg. form.
>
>
>III. Now Let's try to apply the Lithuanian endings to this verb
>(there was no important changes of these endings in Lith. in the last
>2000 years)

How do you know? Lithuanian is only attested since 500
years or so.

>(I do this based on Dacian-Baltic connections)
>url: http://indoeuro.bizland.com/project/grammar/grammar12.html#8
>
>cant-u
>cant-i
>cant-a
>cant-ame
>cant-ate
>cant-a

Rubbish. Latin cantare is an a:-verb, so the relevant
Lithuanian endings are the endings of the Lith. a:-verbs
(conj. III):

-au
-ai
-o
-ome
-ote
-o (there is no 3pl. in Lith.)

No match.

The Lithuanian simple thematic verbs indeed have the
endings:

-u
-i
-a
-ame
-ate
(-a)

This corresponds to the Latin endings:

-o:
-is
-it
-imus
-itis
-unt,

Romanian:

-(u)
*-e (replaced by -i)
-e
-em(u)
-etzi
-(u)

>FIRST CONCLUSIONS:
>a) At Indic. Pres. Romanian endings are exactly the same with
>Lithuanian Endings

No.

>b) Romanian 2nd sg. doesn't fit with Latin 2nd sg.

>CONCLUSION:
>ROMANIAN VERBS ENDINGS COULD WELL BELONG TO THE DACIAN SUBSTRATUM IF
>THIS ONE WAS CLOSED RELATED TO THE BALTIC.

Italian doesn't have a Dacian substratum.

After the loss of -s and -(n)t in Eastern Romance, the
endings had become:

[a:-stems]
-o: > -u
-a:s > -a
-at > -a
-a:mus > -amu
-a:tis > -ate
-ant > -a

[i:-stems]
-io: > -(i)u
-i:s > -i
-it > -e
-i:mus > -imu
-i:tis > -ite
-iunt > -(i)u

[e:-stems]
-eo: > -(i)u
-e:s > -e
-et > -e
-e:mus > -emu
-e:tis > -ete
-ent > -(i)u [instead of regular *-e]

[e/o-stems]
-o: > -u
-is > -e
-it > -e
-imus > -emu
-itis > -ete
-unt > -u

The only conjugation to maintain a difference between 2 and
3 sg. was the i-conjugation, so teh 2sg. ending -i spread to
the other conjugations. This was no doubt aided by the fact
that in monosyllables -s had become -j (It. hai, stai, dai,
fai, (s)ei; Rom. ai, stai, dai).

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Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
mcv@...