Re: [tied] Re: Question regarding proto-albanian evolution of the P

First, I think that clusters -*k't-, -*kWt- and -*kt- have been
assimilated in -*tt-, -*tt- and -*tt- to ende later in simple /t/
(cf. Italian <notte> 'night' from Lat. nox, -tis).
Albanian demonstrative pronouns, as we have once discussed in
Cybalist, are compound form of PIE *au- + *so > ai 'he', *ko(m) + *so

> kuj > ky 'this', *au- + saH2 > ajo 'she' and *ko(m) + saH2 > kujo >

këjo > kjo 'this' and *au- + to > atë 'that' and *kom- + to > kutë >
këtë 'this'. Plural forms are derived from *au-taH2 > ato 'those',
masculine form *au-+*to > ata 'those' and *kom- + taH2 > kuto > këto
etc., due to *s > j, *aH2 > *a: > o etc.

Konushevci

On 5/27/05, alexandru_mg3 <alexandru_mg3@...> wrote:
>
> In Romanian *ct gave *st.
>
> I have an example with Rom. neguTãtor /neguc&tor/ a derived word
> (agent name) from negoT /negoc/ < Lat. negotium.
> It's contracted form neguTtor gave negustor in Romanian (in fact both
> forms still coexist today).
> So PRom/ORom *cT > Rom *st is regular.
>
> In this case we could have:
> PIE *k't > PAlb *ct (and not PAlb *kt (so for 'eight'-> PAlb. form
> was *acto: not akto:)) > Alb. t <-> Rom. st
>
> (for PIE *k't > finally Alb. t -> Alb. tetë < PIE ok'to:(ti))
>
>
> My investigation is related to Rom. aia/ãsta/asta 'this one'(Latin
> ista, istum) - Alb. ay/aio/atë 'he/she or that one' and all their
> derived forms.
>
> For sure Rom. aia (considered from Lat. illa (please note that Lat.
> illa gave already Rom. ea)) is the same word as Alb. aio < PAlb aia:
> (see a:>o again, transformation older than Romans arrival in Balkans
> showing that Pre-Romanian Subtratum was at least dialectal different
> from the Pre-Albanian one)
>
> For the Acc. Albanian Form atë -> I strongly suspect a PAlb. form
> *acta/acta: (maybe with or without some vowels between c and t)
>
>
> URLs:
> Rom. el,ea ->
> http://dexonline.ro/search.php?cuv=el&source=
> Rom. ãla,aia ->
> http://dexonline.ro/search.php?cuv=ala&source=
> Rom. ãsta,asta ->
> http://dexonline.ro/search.php?cuv=asta&source=
>
>
> Best Regards,
> Marius
>
>
>
>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alex" <alxmoeller@...> wrote:
> > alexandru_mg3 wrote:
> > > Thanks a lot. So PIE *k't > PAlb *t.
> > >
> > > Are we sure that the intermediary stage was *kt?
> > > Is not better to suppose *ct in place?
> > >
> > > So maybe PAlb *acto:(ti) in place of *akto:(ti)?
> > >
> > > Thanks again,
> > > Marius
> >
> >
> > do you have some certain examples in mind here?
> > I suspect if the "k^" did not merged together with "k" forming one
> and
> > the same cluster "kt", then the output in "albanoid" words in Rom.
> > should be "sht" . The merging of "k^t" with "kt" should yeld of
> course
> > "pt".
> > However, ad hoc I don't recall any examples which should show this
> > change.
> >
> > Alex
> >
> >
> >
> >
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