Re: [tied] *pak-, *pah2

----- Original Message -----

From: Patrick Ryan

To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 7:09 AM

Subject: Re: [tied] *pak-, *pah2

I went to the message and found the following entry:

 

pa[']&n "(what serves a fodder =) bait", *pah2-

This corresponds to what I would reconstruct for PIE, namely

 

*pa-?a, 'flat' + stative (inanimate)

 

So, 'to have grazed' is 'to have flattened', a perfectly good visual description of 'grazing'.

 

Perhaps there is a reflex of *pa-ha, 'flat' + stative (animate) there that I missed?

 

PCR:

Additional Comment

 

I think I found one myself:

 

*papah, 'flatness' (reduplication of *pah, 'cause to be flat') from *pa-ha. 

 

 

 

Patrick

 

----- Original Message -----

From: tgpedersen

To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 6:05 AM

Subject: [tied] *pak-, *pah2

> In IE, the feminine suffix *-ih2 is obviously the
> unthematized counterpart of diminutive *-ik-o-.

That (pre-PIE?) rule (-k# >-h2#) seems to be standard now?
That would lead me to believe that the roots *pak- (with "sideform"
*pag-, suspiciously called "perfectly natural" by root
editors) "pole;peace;country;border" (whew!) and *pah2- "let graze,
guard, herd". Anyone one who accepts the jumble of senses of the
former will not be able with a good conscience to criticize that
merger on sematic grounds. But that merged root has has suspiciously
similar cousins in Proto-Austronesian (cf
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/37244
), so this root is no good candidate for proving the PIE nativeness of
neither plain *k nor *a.

Torsten






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