Re: [tied] Bakkhos etymology

Perhaps a clue for Bakkhos etymology was the name of
his mother: Semele:, allways analysed as from Thracian
zemelo: "earth" (cf. Russian Zemlya). Is this correct?
So we'd have here a shift *g^H>z>s, or not?
And about Iakkhos, that shows a "shape" similar to
Bakkhos? Iakkhos = Yahu (Hebraic Yahu,Yahwe? Egyptian
yoh,yah "moon" ?)
Or -kkh- < Anatolian -hh- ?

--- Patrick Ryan <proto-language@...> wrote:

> Well, there are the early vase-paintings that I
> mentioned. And the animal that was torn apart by the
> maenads was a foal.
>
> If you would read Robert Graves, _The Greek Myths_,
> an essential source for what you seem to be doing,
> there is a lot more horse symbolism there. Warning:
> his linguistics are unreliable; and mother-goddesses
> did not predominate.
>
> I would propose that, at some early date, there was
> a common origin for these associated traits. You
> might want to visit my website at proto-language and
> look under proto-religion.
>
> Proto-Language<http://geocities.com/proto-language/>
>
> I did not assert that January was, in any way,
> related to Enyalios so why bring this up? Further, I
> do not think they are etymologically related.
>
> Without researching it, I would suppose they are
> related (Are:s) and Areion).
>
> No iddea on your last question. What language is
> that?
>
>
> Patrick
> ----- Original Message -----
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> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 3:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [tied] Bakkhos etymology
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>
> I cannot see a strong horse-symbolism in Bakkhos.
> I agree with the equine and maybe wind traits of
> Ares. Even Bakkhos was not Greek he can have IE
> traits, through some Thracian, Phrygian or Illyrian
> adstratum. Latin Janus (cf. Januarius "January",
> Portuguese janeiro; janua "door", januella "window",
> Portuguese janela, janitor "door-keeper") <
> *ya:-nos, and Enyalios came from Mycenean
> *enuwaliyos. Short e doesnt match a:, and the ya:-
> would give Greek ze:- or he:-.
> Any link between Are:s and Areion, divine horse
> son of Poseidon?
> How about Are:s < *re:z(^) or re:s(^) "king" ?
>
>
> alex <alxmoeller@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > Now Ares is a son of Zeus also, associated
> with growth, war, horses
> > (mare's milk anyone?), and intoxicants.
> >
> > Bacchus may be an Anatolian(?), tamer form of
> Ares, so that
> > 'quarreler' is an appropriate name.
> >
> >
> > Patrick
>
>
> Dyonision is a later good, it cannot have IE
> origin, it appeared later
> in the Thracian mithology and was imported too
> by Phyrigians. Ares was
> originary the good of the hard winter, of the
> cumplitely wind.
> Presumabely his name is the one which is at the
> origin of the name of
> the month "Januarius", and not Jovis (Janus) as
> generaly assumed.
>
> Alex
>
>
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